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Digital Jedi's Erratas That Make Sense

Discussion in 'Create-A-Card (YGO)' started by Digital Jedi, Apr 13, 2005.

  1. Digital Jedi

    Digital Jedi Administrator Staff Member

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    New Erratas

    Durn, I knew that. Mind is slipping staring at this computer screen for so long. :confused: Same guys from Wizards of the Coast. Say, wouldn't there be Konami/UDE issues if YGO used the terms? Maybe not, but I'd prefer if we stayed unique here.

    I like Hibernate. I like Impale. More fitting than Overkill. Easier to format than Piercing. I’m convinced:


    And don't forget:

    Special thanks to OKShadow and DaGuyWitBluGlasses for their suggestions. :)
  2. Maruno

    Maruno Council of Heroes Staff Member

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    Direct Attack = This card can attack your opponent's Life Points directly.

    It's not immensely original, but it works.


    Reinforce - "something" = When this card is destroyed and sent to the Graveyard as a result of battle, you can Special Summon ...something

    For example, Reinforce - Dragon-Type, ATK =< 1500 for [ycard="SOD-EN026"]Masked Dragon[/ycard].
  3. DaGuyWitBluGlasses

    DaGuyWitBluGlasses New Member

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    Fairy meteor Crush and Big Bang inflict damage to the opponent's life points always, so you would have to either spell it out or say:

    Fairy Meteor Crush
    Equipped monster has Impale. Impale damage is inflicted to the opponent of this card's controller.
  4. Digital Jedi

    Digital Jedi Administrator Staff Member

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    Hmmm. that's a good point. I kind of liked the shortened version but I forgot about that little mechanic.
  5. furryjenny

    furryjenny New Member

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    There's one problem with using keywords--newbies aren't going to know what the heck you're talking about. Magic can get away with keywords because they use the same abilities over and over again, so every time a "Core Set" is printed using reprints they spell the terminology out for beginners. But with cards like [ycard="LOD-EN035"]Spear Dragon[/ycard]'s effect where less than 10 cards have it, either it will have to be reprinted over and over again for newbies or new ones will have to be created. (Either that, or a heck of a lot of definitions will wind up going into rulebooks.)

    I agree with printing "Ignition", etc. on the cards next to effects. For example, it really isn't clear whether [ycard="DB1-EN234"]Fire Princess[/ycard] is Continuous (add "Burn for 500" to all your LP gaining cards) or Multi-Trigger (whenever you gain LPS, this monster's ability triggers and burns for 500).
  6. Jathro

    Jathro New Member

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    Reading through this thread (particularly the post by jdos and using proper documentation) brings to mind a thought posed to me by one of my college professors in a computer programming class. It goes like this:

    "Nothing is ever idiot-proof - idiots are far too creative"

    I still laugh out loud when I think about that. It's so true. We could errata these cards til we're blue in the face and our fingers fall off, but there's still going to be questions. That's why sites like this exist. That's why there are judges. That's why there are official rulings. I feel making erratas only confuses players cause then there are at least 2 different takes on the same card.

    Digital Jedi makes some good points on this site, and yes some of these cards are pretty self-explanatory. But then again, over-explaining right on the cards can make the player feel dumb. It would almost be like saying "You're not smart enough to figure this out on your own so the extra text here is to explain it to you like a 4-year old." I for one wouldn't want to see all that extra text on the cards, but perhaps something in the rulebook would be beneficial.

    If UDE/Konami (or whomever the powers may be in the particular case) would take the time and the care to make sure the cards aren't ambiguous from the beginning, they could save everyone involved a lot of headaches.
  7. jpnuar1

    jpnuar1 GreenPhantom Duelist

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    Not even 200?
  8. Maruno

    Maruno Council of Heroes Staff Member

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    The amount of things that have gone wrong with the number 200 is truly unbelievable. I won't embarass you by telling you any of the mistakes made with that number.
  9. Digital Jedi

    Digital Jedi Administrator Staff Member

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    I appreciate your comments. However, in most cases, I only added card text when it was absolutely necessary. Where there was absolutely no way to infer how the card worked from the existing text. (Examples below) The "unnecessary" erratas here on this thread have mostly been abbreviating card text. Replacing whole sentences that are commonly used with a single word or title. Those we're, I think for most people, mainly just for fun. But in some cases, they could help economize space on the card.

    [ycard="DR1-EN171"]Guardian Kay'est[/ycard] and [ycard="PSV-EN076"]The Legendary Fisherman[/ycard] - You can attack thier controllers directly if they are the only ones on the field.

    [ycard="SDK-050"]Ultimate Offering[/ycard] - You can Normal Summon during your opponent's Battle Phase but not during yours. It doesn't work for your opponent.

    [ycard="SDJ-046"]Waboku[/ycard] - New players and old players alike still misinterpret this effect. Some still think the monster dies. Others actually think the opponent of the controller of [ycard="SDJ-046"]Waboku[/ycard]'s monster dies. ([ycard="MRD-EN138"]Mirror Force[/ycard]?) I've even heard one person say that you still take damage. And most do not know it can be used offensively.

    [ycard="LOD-EN087"]Magic Reflector[/ycard] - The counter does not protect spell cards that destroy themselves.
  10. jpnuar1

    jpnuar1 GreenPhantom Duelist

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    I meant as in alcohol. I would imagine that 200 proof is, well..... an idiot's proof.:p
  11. furryjenny

    furryjenny New Member

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    I blame all the Waboku confusion on the fact that Battle Damage is never really well explained.
  12. jpnuar1

    jpnuar1 GreenPhantom Duelist

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    Actually, there was a post in the judge list just yesterday, addressing this issue

  13. jdos

    jdos Guest

    We always use the term "Idiot-resistant" for that same reason. :D
  14. Digital Jedi

    Digital Jedi Administrator Staff Member

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    Wow. Acknowledment of the fact that the literal translation is not what's needed. I would have never imagined. And it seems that they are at least trying to take steps for transliteration of the card text, meaning, the cards translate the meaning as apposed to just sentences.

    There is one problem I have, though, and have had since I was a small child myself. I was a child once, go figure, and I remember being deeply irritated when companies would go out of their way to appeal to me by treating me as an imbecile.

    Targeting younger customers does not mean you have to treat them like they are retarded. Wait, even mentally handicap people are not stupid, given enough time a slower person would even put together when he is being treated like moron.

    If konami had half the sense God gave a canary, they would have realized that translating the card text literaly was just going to create confusion. I really dont give a Giant Rat's but if they are targeting young demographics. HELLOOOO!! You've got, like, millions of teen to middle-aged and sometimes older people buying your card sets!! Hey here's a novel idea, your demographic has expanded so how about modifieing your marketing strategy to include all those people who actually have jobs and can actually buy obscene amounts of cards because they love the game?

    Wow what a concept! Trying to make more money! Where do I come up with these tradical ideas?
    :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
    :mad: :mad:
  15. Digital Jedi

    Digital Jedi Administrator Staff Member

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    Cant understand why there isn't a ruling in the FAQ on this one. But I shouldn't be suprised. Not the significant differences.

  16. Digital Jedi

    Digital Jedi Administrator Staff Member

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    Not as good as I thought it was:
  17. OKShadow

    OKShadow OKC's Dark Duelist

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    Major Riot

    Where is that ruling that it is only Level 4 or lower? nothing on card text or Netrep rulings show what level the creatures have to be.
  18. Maruno

    Maruno Council of Heroes Staff Member

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    My points exactly. I brought this question up in the Rulings section, and I don't see why it should be Level limited. It doesn't say it is, and that's a pretty big fact to miss.
  19. jpnuar1

    jpnuar1 GreenPhantom Duelist

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    Well, I see two problems with that.

    • If a card effect like, say, [ycard="DB1-EN026"]Tailor of the Fickle[/ycard] or collective power were to be played, the card's target couldn't be changes to a non-machine (although I'm not sure if the original card could...)
    • Digital Jedi's card allows for unlimited (and I would imagine mandatory) negation of spells.
  20. OKShadow

    OKShadow OKC's Dark Duelist

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    well it did say "Negate the NEXT spell card that targets the monster, not ANY" That would provide some coverage and explanation instead of "only once"

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