Digital Jedi's Erratas That Make Sense
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DaGuyWitBluGlasses
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No it is not optional. There is no choice.jpnuar1 said:
In addition, rare metalmoph is not an equip nor does it become one after activation. [ycard="LON-EN078"]Collected Power[/ycard] and [ycard="DB1-EN026"]Tailor of the Fickle[/ycard] only affect equip cards and not continuous traps.jpnuar1 said:
OKShadow
OKC's Dark Duelist
a.)Well the original text says "only once" so maybe it is optional regarding which spell to negate... you can only negate ONE though. No timeframe on when its effect had to be used. Good question on that one.
b.)Since it is not an equip can it still be "attached" if it goes face-down due to card effect or does it get destroyed like regular "equips"?
b.)Since it is not an equip can it still be "attached" if it goes face-down due to card effect or does it get destroyed like regular "equips"?
This has already been adressed on the judges list. It is the next spell card. It was just translated badly.
http://lists.upperdeck.com/read/messages?id=3418#3418
In addition, continuous cards do not work like equips and are never treated as equips. The situation will always be different depending on the continuous card itself.
http://lists.upperdeck.com/read/messages?id=3418#3418
In addition, continuous cards do not work like equips and are never treated as equips. The situation will always be different depending on the continuous card itself.
Which is why my errata specifies that the monster has to be face up.Official FAQ said:
Archfiend Cards
Here's a few cards that are long overdue for a name change. Before everyone goes nuts wondering what I was thinking, check the official FAQ here first and you'll see why I did this. http://www.upperdeckentertainment.com/yugioh/en/faq_archfiend.aspx This will especially help to clarify what can be on the field before [ycard="DCR-088"]Falling Down[/ycard] can be destroyed by it's own effect.
Here's a few cards that are long overdue for a name change. Before everyone goes nuts wondering what I was thinking, check the official FAQ here first and you'll see why I did this. http://www.upperdeckentertainment.com/yugioh/en/faq_archfiend.aspx This will especially help to clarify what can be on the field before [ycard="DCR-088"]Falling Down[/ycard] can be destroyed by it's own effect.
- [ycard="SYE-035"]Axe of Despair[/ycard] to [ycard="SYE-035"]Archfiend's Axe of Despair[/ycard]
- [ycard="BPT-006"]B. Skull Dragon[/ycard] to [ycard="BPT-006"]B. Skull Dragon of the Archfiends[/ycard]
- [ycard="PSV-EN103"]Beast of Talwar[/ycard] to [ycard="PSV-EN103"]Archfiend's Beast of Talwar[/ycard]
- [ycard="LOD-EN039"]Fiend Skull Dragon[/ycard] to [ycard="LOD-EN039"]Archfiend Skull Dragon[/ycard]
- [ycard="LOD-EN003"]Lesser Fiend[/ycard] to [ycard="LOD-EN003"]Lesser Archfiend[/ycard]
- [ycard="LOD-EN025"]Shadow Tamer[/ycard] to [ycard="LOD-EN025"]Shadow Tamer - Archfiend of Despair[/ycard]
- [ycard="MRD-EN003"]Summoned Skull[/ycard] to [ycard="MRD-EN003"]Summoned Skull Archfiend[/ycard]
- [ycard="SDP-021"]Toon Summoned Skull[/ycard] to [ycard="SDP-021"]Toon Summoned Skull Archfiend[/ycard]
DaGuyWitBluGlasses
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Digital Jedi said:
That is redundant, the problem witht he Archfiend's is that the original translation team translated De-M-O-N too many different ways:
of Despair = Demon's
Skull = Demon
Fiend = Demon
Shadow = Demon
exiledforcefreak
RIP Jacob KT 2/16/06
what about [ycard="PSV-EN103"]Beast of Talwar[/ycard]? [ycard="PSV-EN103"]Beast of Talwar[/ycard] doesn't have "fiend", "skull", "shadow", or "of despair" in its name 
exiledforcefreak
RIP Jacob KT 2/16/06
DaGuyWitBluGlasses said:
OOOOOO, I LIKE that
I'm going to start using that term, watch it catch on, lol furryjenny
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exiledforcefreak said:what about [ycard="PSV-EN103"]Beast of Talwar[/ycard]? [ycard="PSV-EN103"]Beast of Talwar[/ycard] doesn't have "fiend", "skull", "shadow", or "of despair" in its name
Well...Gilfar Demon was originally called "Beast of Gilfer" in the TV show, before DCR came out and Archfiend cards had to be renamed. So add "Beast" to the list then.
This is similar to the way "Hades" and "Sheol" were translated in some bible translations. The correct translation is "hell", but it was inconsistantly translated as other words instead af "hell". Sometimes they used the word "pit" or "grave" and a few times mistranslated the word "Gehenna" as "hell".DaGuyWitBluGlasses said:
You would think after thousands of years of goofs we would get how important transliteration is.
DaGuyWitBluGlasses
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UDE/ KOnami doesn't understand grammar, sometimes all it takes is to change one very little thing to make it clear:
Example:
[ycard="WC5-EN003"]Mind Control[/ycard]
Normal Spell
Take control of 1 monster on your opponent's side of the field until the End Phase. This monster cannot declare an attack or be Tributed.
Now if we take the grammar literally the card would mean that, if a player attacks with that monster, it cannot be tributed later in the game. And that it could be tributed later in the game, or the turn its under the non-owner's control as long as it didn't attack. The reson for this is that to satisfy "Or" only one side needs to be true:
"This monster cannot declare an attack or be Tributed" mean (choose one this monster cannot attack, or this monster cannot be tributed.
Also the second sentence is not attached to the first, so we would grammatically assume that the cannot condition would last indefinitely.
But that's not the case: The monster can neither attack Nor be tributed. And the condition only lasts as long as the control changing effect.
A semi-colon is used when to sentences are to close to use a conjunction, therefore if we use a semi-colon it would suggest that the 2 sentences are related.
So the proper text should read:
Take control of 1 monster on your opponent's side of the field until the End Phase; this monster cannot declare an attack nor be Tributed.
Such a simple change, i can't see Konami having any objections to it.
Example:
[ycard="WC5-EN003"]Mind Control[/ycard]
Normal Spell
Take control of 1 monster on your opponent's side of the field until the End Phase. This monster cannot declare an attack or be Tributed.
Now if we take the grammar literally the card would mean that, if a player attacks with that monster, it cannot be tributed later in the game. And that it could be tributed later in the game, or the turn its under the non-owner's control as long as it didn't attack. The reson for this is that to satisfy "Or" only one side needs to be true:
"This monster cannot declare an attack or be Tributed" mean (choose one
this monster cannot attack, or this monster cannot be tributed.Also the second sentence is not attached to the first, so we would grammatically assume that the cannot condition would last indefinitely.
But that's not the case: The monster can neither attack Nor be tributed. And the condition only lasts as long as the control changing effect.
A semi-colon is used when to sentences are to close to use a conjunction, therefore if we use a semi-colon it would suggest that the 2 sentences are related.
So the proper text should read:
Take control of 1 monster on your opponent's side of the field until the End Phase; this monster cannot declare an attack nor be Tributed.
Such a simple change, i can't see Konami having any objections to it.
As time passes I'm getting the imperssion that the Japanese language must carry a structure with it that doesn't lend itself well to literal translation. Keep in mind I'm completely unfamiliar with Japanese other than my close proximity to it through anime and this card game.
I wonder if there is a genuine misunderstanding on Konami's part that leads them to belive that a transliterating of their card text is less true then a word for word translation. Or are they being genuienly stubborn?
I wonder if there is a genuine misunderstanding on Konami's part that leads them to belive that a transliterating of their card text is less true then a word for word translation. Or are they being genuienly stubborn?
Mazera DeVille
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And we have another confusing Archfiend which in fact is a normal beast monster from the TP6 set
TP6-EN016 [ycard="TP6-EN016"]Archfiend Marmot of Nefariousness[/ycard]
I think Konami should just be blunt and go for a simple easy to read translation that makes sense as I said in an earlier post.
Cost - Whatever the cost is
Effect - Effect of the card
Restriction - Generally what the card can't do
Easy enough and no long confusing grammatical errors.
TP6-EN016 [ycard="TP6-EN016"]Archfiend Marmot of Nefariousness[/ycard]
I think Konami should just be blunt and go for a simple easy to read translation that makes sense as I said in an earlier post.
Cost - Whatever the cost is
Effect - Effect of the card
Restriction - Generally what the card can't do
Easy enough and no long confusing grammatical errors.
furryjenny
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What's so confusing about [ycard="TP6-EN016"]Archfiend Marmot of Nefariousness[/ycard]? It just counts as an "Archfiend" for purposes of Infernalqueen, etc.
BTW, the stats posted are for [ycard="TP6-EN006"]Spear Dragon[/ycard].
BTW, the stats posted are for [ycard="TP6-EN006"]Spear Dragon[/ycard].
No-one said Archfiends had to be Effect Monsters. A quick glance at [ycard="MRD-EN003"]Summoned Skull[/ycard] or [ycard="SYE-035"]Axe of Despair[/ycard] will tell you that. [ycard="TP6-EN016"]Archfiend Marmot of Nefariousness[/ycard] couldn't be more simple, really.
OKShadow
OKC's Dark Duelist
Here's my version of the list... I think it's a little more succinct on the first three.
- [ycard="SYE-035"]Axe of Despair[/ycard] to [ycard="SYE-035"]Axe of Archfiends[/ycard]
- [ycard="BPT-006"]B. Skull Dragon[/ycard] to [ycard="BPT-006"]Archfiend Skull Dragon[/ycard]
- [ycard="PSV-EN103"]Beast of Talwar[/ycard] to [ycard="PSV-EN103"]Archfiend of Talwar[/ycard]
- [ycard="LOD-EN039"]Fiend Skull Dragon[/ycard] to [ycard="LOD-EN039"]Archfiend Skull Dragon[/ycard]
- [ycard="LOD-EN003"]Lesser Fiend[/ycard] to [ycard="LOD-EN003"]Lesser Archfiend[/ycard]
- [ycard="LOD-EN025"]Shadow Tamer[/ycard] to [ycard="LOD-EN025"]Shadow Tamer - Archfiend of Despair[/ycard]
- [ycard="MRD-EN003"]Summoned Skull[/ycard] to [ycard="MRD-EN003"]Summoned Skull Archfiend[/ycard]
- [ycard="SDP-021"]Toon Summoned Skull[/ycard] to [ycard="SDP-021"]Toon Summoned Skull Archfiend[/ycard]
Chillout1984
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OKShadow said:
That sounds great, but if you look at the DCR [ycard="DR1-EN235"]Skull Archfiend of Lightning[/ycard] I would say the last two should be called like this:
[ycard="MRD-EN003"]Summoned Skull[/ycard] to Skull Archfiend
[ycard="SDP-021"]Toon Summoned Skull[/ycard] to Toon Skull Archfiend
Except that you don't know anything about the Japanese names, so no.
It would be "Summoned Archfiend" and "Toon Archfiend".
Also, "Demon Summon" is NOT "Summoned Demon". It's literally translated as "Demon's Summon". So it SHOULD be "Archfiend's Summon".
[ycard="DR1-EN235"]Skull Archfiend of Lightning[/ycard] is "Skull Archfiend" because the words on the Japanese card are "Skull Demon".
It would be "Summoned Archfiend" and "Toon Archfiend".
Also, "Demon Summon" is NOT "Summoned Demon". It's literally translated as "Demon's Summon". So it SHOULD be "Archfiend's Summon".
[ycard="DR1-EN235"]Skull Archfiend of Lightning[/ycard] is "Skull Archfiend" because the words on the Japanese card are "Skull Demon".