And it just ended like that. Didn't realize it had been so long since I had done one of these. It's about time we rivisited this thread. (Give me a minute, and I'll ad it back in my sig, as well.) Seems it was more controvertial then I remember. Here's a card that has only been seeing some problems in recent weeks: I didn't want to get into the hows and why on the card text itself. I could have added a whole extra sentance, but clarifying that the last two effects only work when the monster is face-up sews up a lot of problems for me.