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Digital Jedi's Erratas That Make Sense

Discussion in 'Create-A-Card (YGO)' started by Digital Jedi, Apr 13, 2005.

  1. Digital Jedi

    Digital Jedi Administrator Staff Member

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    And it just ended like that. Didn't realize it had been so long since I had done one of these. It's about time we rivisited this thread. (Give me a minute, and I'll ad it back in my sig, as well.) Seems it was more controvertial then I remember.

    Here's a card that has only been seeing some problems in recent weeks:

    I didn't want to get into the hows and why on the card text itself. I could have added a whole extra sentance, but clarifying that the last two effects only work when the monster is face-up sews up a lot of problems for me.
  2. Raijinili

    Raijinili New Member

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    If it goes face-down, Call forgets who it was targeting. I don't see the problem.
  3. Digital Jedi

    Digital Jedi Administrator Staff Member

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    Lately a few newer players didn't seem to understand that, as it's not expressly stated in the card text. The vets know it works this way, and never really had a problem with it. But there is no way to prove to someone new, other then an ancient post I found on the judges list that merely refrenced the old Battle Position rules before the changes, that it is the case. Too many vets have left this game for VS and a lot of "givens" are now being questioned.

    Tha argument given is that [ycard="PGD-106"]Nightmare Wheel[/ycard] and other Continuous Traps still target a face-down, why doesn't all of the haunted. The answer is ... because it doesn't.
  4. Digital Jedi

    Digital Jedi Administrator Staff Member

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    Let's try something:
  5. Digital Jedi

    Digital Jedi Administrator Staff Member

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    Wow! After all this time:

    Now if only I had had something to do with that, I'd be proud. But this threads been dead too long. :D

    Though not quite as clear as I wanted, the absence of the phrase "a player" eliminates the notion that your opponent can use it. It seems they like to make you extrapolate card text by giving you the barest information you need. That can only lead to confusion, but a least they made the effort this time. Now, at least, we have an errata to point people to, in addition to the old Judges List message.

    OH, by the way, the Registry still has the old text, so I'm imagining this is really recent. Any idea when the registry will be updated?
  6. CardsOfTheHeart

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    Who knows?

    Speaking of erratas, there's one pet peeve I have when it comes to text. You know all those cards that 'Select' whatever card(s) for an effect? Some of them target cards at activation (ex. [ycard="SD3-EN020"]Tribute to The Doomed[/ycard]), some of them don't (ex. [ycard="SD4-EN021"]Creature Swap[/ycard]).

    Wouldn't it be nice if the cards that target actually mention the word 'target'? Instead of saying 'Select 1 monster on the field and destroy it.', it could say 'Target 1 monster on the field and destroy it.' Isn't that any easier?

    But, I could get technical and wish to put a lot of TCG jargon on a card. I'll use [ycard="SD4-EN012"]Mobius the Frost Monarch[/ycard] as an example.

    Here's the text that we all know and love for Mobius:
    When this card is Tribute Summoned successfully, you can destroy up to 2 Spell or Trap Cards on the field.

    Here's what I could do to it:
    Trigger: Successful Tribute Summon
    Optional: Destroy up to 2 Spell or Trap Cards on the field when triggered.

    The question is: how far do you go with it?
  7. Digital Jedi

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    Personally, I would not be upset if they went ALL the way with it.

    It was noted in another thread recently that most TCG's have basic mechanics and new cards are structured around those mechanics, whereas Yu-Gi-Oh! has a basic structure that gets redifined by new cards. I would love to see a stable structure adeded to Yu-Gi-Oh! that made one thing mean one thing ALL the time.

    In VS, "cannot" always overides "can". Use of the word "target" and the recuritment of equipment cards are the ONLY targeting effects in the game. EVERYTHING uses the chain except continuous effects, so understanding effect interaction is easy enough if you play it out in your head. Even the Draw uses the chain. Trigger effects are identifiable by the use of the words "when", "whenever" and "at the start of".

    I say take it to the limit. It could only help the game's longevity
  8. Digital Jedi

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    Monsters Attack. Players Declare.

    Something novastar said just a few minutes ago got me to thinking about these cards that prevent attacks. Let's try them from a different route.

  9. Digital Jedi

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    For some reason, this just bugs me. The current text just seems confusing to a newer player. It's backwards.

  10. Jason_C

    Jason_C Banned

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    I have a :beef: with that! :p Isn't it more confusing to have it that way, with the two sentences reversed? :confused: With all the talk about cost vs effect (much of which came from you ;)), few people will realize that not summoning is indeed a cost. Or am I missing something?

    -pssvr

    PS Where did your smileys go?
  11. Digital Jedi

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    Payment for a cost will always be the loss of something in [ycard="DB1-EN170"]Exchange[/ycard] for something else. A discard, payment of Life Ponts, sending cards to the Graveyard, these are costs since they require something given in [ycard="DB1-EN170"]Exchange[/ycard] for something else. It's also the general definition of the word "payment".

    Special Summoning would not be a payment if phrased in the first sentance any more then [ycard="SD1-EN021"]Call of the Haunted[/ycard]'s first sentance would be a cost for activation.

    EDIT: DaAmazing1 might be working on making the Pot smileys not overlap with the :p smiley. Or he's just sorting them.
  12. shadowdragon

    shadowdragon leet is for losers

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    the one card i've had people paly very wrong on me(and didnt know till i read it really carefully)is [ycard="EEN-EN052"]Dark Deal[/ycard], that needs so errating.
  13. Digital Jedi

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    I believe they did:

    You can only activate this card by paying 1000 Life Points when your opponent activates a Normal Spell Card. The effect of the Normal Spell Card that your opponent activated at that time becomes "Your opponent discards 1 random card from their hand". ​
    As I recal, it didn't used to be that clear.
  14. Digital Jedi

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    Wow. I hadn't noticed this. [ycard=potd-en024]Alien Grey[/ycard] marks the first card to follow this template that Vs and Magic have always had..

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