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Vlink working? I got nowhere from the vlink.

Relax Definitely not trying to post a "fake" list. Was putting it out there since I, like others were trying to find the list. Didn't see the links...my apologies. Sidenote: 2 Jinzo's.....ugh, my Birthright deck just bought it hard

Found this as the new banned list elsewhere...DIFFERENT! Not remotely saying this is valid, but posted on DA Planet.... You cannot use these cards in your Deck or Side Deck: BLACK LUSTER SOLDIER - ENVOY OF THE BEGINNING BUTTERFLY DAGGER - ELMA CHANGE OF HEART CHAOS EMPEROR DRAGON - ENVOY...

Crazy suggestion Hit a deck that had Solomon's Lawbook in it. Could go crazy good with skipping that second standby phase. Keeps that magic card permanent.

Thanks for the explanation. Wasn't thinking about the difference between the two, but as a big fan of the stall, I appreciate the time taken to explain the rationale. Asked and answered, excellently as usual.

Can you post the ruling that would differentiate between Stumbling and LLAB? I am having a hard time seeing the difference, unless it was just a prior ruling stated as such. Both seem to create the condition...why doesn't LLAB create the chain?

Wait, in general you can? This would be the first I've heard of this! OR are you talking about the continous spell condition?

Am I correct that you can actually chain Trap Hole to Exiled Force, when its position is changed, when it is summoned, by the effect of an already activated continuous spell...such as Level Limit Area B or Stumbling? There is a continuous effect that must be applied when Exiled Force is...

I assume that Ancient Lamp targets, but I know that there is no end-all/be-all list out there of targeting monster effects. Is it the case of the usual "you can make one opponent's monster be attacked" responsible for this being a targeting effect. One must be selected and singled out?