procedural error major or drawing card-looking?
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from UDE's Player Management Forums
So player A flip summons seer and immediatly looks at the top two cards of his deck and player B tells him to hold on; player A puts the two cards back. Player B calls over a judge, who gets the head judge (who doesn't know how to rule). Player be then shows the head judge a solemn judgement, clearly indicating he wants his opponent to receive a gameloss for damaging the state of gameplay beyond repair, which is procedural error-major(game loss). The Head judge rules that it is drawing cards - looking(warning), and reveals the two cards to both players.
How should this situation be ruled?
Player B makes complaints and says the head judge was wrong at other, smaller events citing statements from another region's head judge. In doing this, player B makes it even more clear then before he is the type of person who will attempt to take advantage of every possible opportunity to win a game on a techincality; something which is generally childish and frowned upon by judges.
How should the head judge deal with player B? Should the behavior of player B outside of the tournamnt influence the head judge's rulings involving that player for future events in any way?
Quotes from penalty guidelines:
"P-14 Procedural Error—Major (Penalty: Game Loss)
This penalty is appropriate for an unintentional infraction that a player commits that causes an irreversible disruption of the game state. The game state is beyond repair, so the penalty is more severe than the one for a minor procedural error. This is an appropriate penalty to use when a player unintentionally plays a card incorrectly and causes a major game disruption. In one-game matches, where this penalty essentially becomes a match loss, judges should make sure that the game state is truly irreparable before issuing this penalty."
"P-24 Drawing Cards—Looking at Extra Cards (Penalty: Warning)
The following penalty applies to infractions committed while revealing cards either accidentally or due to a game effect. The cards should be revealed to both players and returned to their appropriate areas."
Click here to view the full discussion Then feel free to return to discuss the subject here.How should this situation be ruled?
Player B makes complaints and says the head judge was wrong at other, smaller events citing statements from another region's head judge. In doing this, player B makes it even more clear then before he is the type of person who will attempt to take advantage of every possible opportunity to win a game on a techincality; something which is generally childish and frowned upon by judges.
How should the head judge deal with player B? Should the behavior of player B outside of the tournamnt influence the head judge's rulings involving that player for future events in any way?
Quotes from penalty guidelines:
"P-14 Procedural Error—Major (Penalty: Game Loss)
This penalty is appropriate for an unintentional infraction that a player commits that causes an irreversible disruption of the game state. The game state is beyond repair, so the penalty is more severe than the one for a minor procedural error. This is an appropriate penalty to use when a player unintentionally plays a card incorrectly and causes a major game disruption. In one-game matches, where this penalty essentially becomes a match loss, judges should make sure that the game state is truly irreparable before issuing this penalty."
"P-24 Drawing Cards—Looking at Extra Cards (Penalty: Warning)
The following penalty applies to infractions committed while revealing cards either accidentally or due to a game effect. The cards should be revealed to both players and returned to their appropriate areas."