Victory Dragon Ruling

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Did UDE ever issue a ruling about conceding before Victory Dragon attacks to force another game? This came up last week and I had no ideal what the answer was.
 
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blade146 said:
Did UDE ever issue a ruling about conceding before Victory Dragon attacks to force another game? This came up last week and I had no ideal what the answer was.
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Now that Victory Dragon is released a few players in my area have an issue,
can you simply "Concede" the game if you are about to loose because of
Victory Dragon?


Morgan Adams
LV1 YGO Rules.



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Response:

Please refer to Upper Deck Entertainment's official tournament policy, section 21.

http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/community/files/28/english/category1008.aspx

"21. Game Concession"

"Players may concede a game or match at any time, provided that the concession
does not involve compensation in exchange for the concession. Players may not
offer their opponents any type of compensation or bribe in exchange for a
concession."


This policy applies to all official UDE Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG tournaments and activities.

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Curtis Schultz
Official UDE Rules Dude
CurtisSchultz_Netrep@Hotmail.com


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The effect of "Victory Dragon" would logically have to apply even if the other player wishes to concede. Otherwise, what would've been the point of allowing players to use such a card?
 
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Deathjester said:
The effect of "Victory Dragon" would logically have to apply even if the other player wishes to concede. Otherwise, what would've been the point of allowing players to use such a card?
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Not true, at least not here in the UDE territories. There is little to no point to run Victory Dragon over here. Typical "us" being different than "them" ("them" being Japan, where as I understand it you can only conceed on your own turn).

I expect the rule to change at some point, but for now as soon as you see Victory Dragon appear on your opponent's side of the field, you scoop, and that's that. Game on.

:duel_yes
 
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D.M.E.N. said:
Allowed to forfeit or not, the goal has been met.

"I WIN! YOU LOSE! HA HA!"
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Which lends itself to the thought, "why have a card effect like this if you can concede at ANY time during the duel?" UDE is will either have to change the ruling on timing of your concession or expect that there will be a lot of upset players who think they will have the match win only to have it snatched because the player conceded the duel rather than lose the match. Should make for interesting tournaments.
 
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The debate for now is between two camps: the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. The letter of the law is that a player may concede the game and avoid losing the match with Victory Dragon. The spirit of the law is that a player who scoops to Victory Dragon is depriving his opponent of the chance to use Victory Dragon to win a match. As of now, the attitude of UDE seems to be that the letter of the law is what we judges are to go by in a tournament situation. Until a change comes down, any argument is merely for the sake of argument.
 
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IMHO, it depends who I was playing against. Against an arrogant powergaming CCer (who probably wouldnt be playing a victory dragon deck anyway) I would scoop. Against a thoughtful and interesting player, especially a youngster, I would likely allow the Victory dragon attack to go through- more power to those who try something imaginative.

I may, of course, live to regret these words.
 
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This was a decision made by Upper Deck Entertainment after several months of internal debate.It doesn't make sense to change the concession policy for all Upper Deck Entertainment games to facilitate one card.

Thats the answer i got from curtis schultz when i went and addressed this issue with him again after his little ruling was made. I have replied to it asking for a second opinion from other members of the UDE staff and if possible some kind of debate including all judges and TOs. Probably wont change much but hell if we dont bitch we cant change anything.
 
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I think it is pretty clear that without an errata or rule change that effects the timing of a concession, it becomes only another strategy among many and as any good lawyer would do, use the rules to your advantage and concede before you lose. But just to be safe, if the other is player is running a Victory Dragon, I usually concede after the first draw in order to avoid any timing issues...
 
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SO yeah curtis is really dodging this one. Apparently we have to go straight to UDE and not discuss it on the judges list. Apparently they have scoured the net and all the open discussions about this and are completely ignoring everyones opinions and simply leaving the rules as they are.

Not in those words of course incase any UDE guys come looking. Im simply paraphrasing.
 
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