D.D. Warrior Lady Vs. Newdoria
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masterwoo0
NINJA4LIFE
Correct. D. D. Warrior Lady would resolve first and remove both cards unless the controller of Lady chooses not to activate the effect. In which case Newdoria would destroy Lady, with both going to the Graveyard.
Chillout1984
New Member
I thought that mandatory vs optional only works when both effects are from the same player?
daivahataka
Gold Member
Nope, as I understand it it's:
Turn Player Mandatory
Non-TP Mandatory
TP Optional
Non-TP Optional.
Really not 100% clear on it myself as UDE have yet to really give anything official on it even though it does make sense.
Turn Player Mandatory
Non-TP Mandatory
TP Optional
Non-TP Optional.
Really not 100% clear on it myself as UDE have yet to really give anything official on it even though it does make sense.
John Danker
Administrator
Both Masterwoo0's and daivahataka's analysis are correct here.
What's important to realize is that this order....
Turn Player Mandatory
Non-TP Mandatory
TP Optional
Non-TP Optional
...is how it goes ON the chain. It, of course, resolves in reverse order of that.
What's important to realize is that this order....
Turn Player Mandatory
Non-TP Mandatory
TP Optional
Non-TP Optional
...is how it goes ON the chain. It, of course, resolves in reverse order of that.
masterwoo0
NINJA4LIFE
The best situation to look at is Fiber Jar vs D. D. Warrior Lady. Then, just think about what would happen if you have a situation where 2 Fiber Jar's go off at the same time.
Both Mandatory effects, but the turn player would be placed first in the Chain Link, since he cannot decide or "choose" to activate Fiber Jar's effect.
Both Mandatory effects, but the turn player would be placed first in the Chain Link, since he cannot decide or "choose" to activate Fiber Jar's effect.
Forgive me for putting my 2 cents in, but isn't Newdoria's effect a graveyard effect? The card says it has to be sent to the graveyard. DD Warrior Lady's effect states that it happens right after damage calculation, which would be before monsters are sent to the graveyard, and before Newdoria's effect even activates in the first place.
This has nothing to do with mandatory vs optional - Newdoria must be in the graveyard for its effect to activate, and since it never gets there, its effect never activates. There is no "chain link 1 and 2" and no "mandatory vs. optional."
Even though FLIP effects (like Fiber Jar) would resolve between the "calculate and apply damage" and "send to graveyard" parts of the damage step, Newdoria is NOT a flip effect. Its effect does not happen until after the "send to the graveyard" and long after DD's effect activates and resolves.
Not sure why everyone is making it more complicated.
This has nothing to do with mandatory vs optional - Newdoria must be in the graveyard for its effect to activate, and since it never gets there, its effect never activates. There is no "chain link 1 and 2" and no "mandatory vs. optional."
Even though FLIP effects (like Fiber Jar) would resolve between the "calculate and apply damage" and "send to graveyard" parts of the damage step, Newdoria is NOT a flip effect. Its effect does not happen until after the "send to the graveyard" and long after DD's effect activates and resolves.
Not sure why everyone is making it more complicated.
John Danker
Administrator
<laffin at myself> Yeah, I DID forget it's a graveyard effect, thanks for reminding me! <blush>
masterwoo0
NINJA4LIFE
I was saying Mandatory Effects are placed on the chain first. I may have erred in not going back to say that in this case, it doesnt matter, but I thought saying that "If D. D. Warrior Lady does not activate her effect..." was enough. Even though its a Graveyard effect, D. D. Warrior Lady still has to activate her effect in order to prevent his from activating.Jeff Mop said:
His effect is still mandatory when Battling another monster, say, Exarion Universe, who doesn't have an effect that activates after the Damage Step, but that's neither here nor there.
skey23 said:**SMACK**!!
Wow...thanks, I needed that!
Thank you Jeff, and Rai. I DID completely forget it was a Graveyard effect.
I apologize!
(edits post above...)
[edit]And Scotty doesn't know!...
And they ARE the worst twins ever!
You're very welcome.
Oh and by the way, here's a fun fact...
YOU MADE OUT WITH YOUR SISTER, MAN!
lol couldn't resist
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