End of Battle Phase

[GregODonnell]

Looking into the mechanics of Battle step...

Ok, I have a monster in attack, opponenet has say mirror force, and I have CofH set,

I declare and attack, he activates Mirror force, I chain CofH, bringing out a creature. Does all my creatures get destroyed per Mirror Force, or did I activate CofH to early, and should have waited until after Mirror Force resolved to bring a creature out. Stuck on this one....Greg

 

[the.wise.duelist]

This is what I would rule it as...The mirror force was activated first then chained to with CotH. CotH would activate first bringing back a monster. This would cause a replay becuase to monster ratio changed so the attack was stopped and mirror force with no attack would just dissapear. You can then attack with the new monster and the old one. But I am not that sure...

 

[xxxVIPERxxx]

Wise is correct on this one....Your chain with CotH would cause a replay. You would then summon, and now that you know he has a MF, had best stop and not call another attack or you will have wasted your CotH for nothing as both will then run into the MF.

Hope this helps.

I'm out!!

 

[densetsu_x]

You should wait until Mirror Force resolves first (with 1 exception to this rule).

If you chain it, here's what happens.

You attack with say Gemini Elf
Your opponent activates Mirror Force
You chain with Call of the Haunted and special summon a monster in attack position.

Effects resolve:
Your monster is special summoned in attack position from CotH.
Mirror Force resolves and destroys all face up attacking monsters (including the one you just special summoned).

Now the 1 exception to this case would be the obvious one: Using Call of the Haunted in the chain to bring Jinzo back to the field. In this case what will happen is that Jinzo's Trap Negating effect will kick in and then negate Mirror Force so your original attack will go through. Other than that though, wait until Mirror Force resolves, then use Call of the Haunted and then attack with that monster.

- Andrew

 

[densetsu_x]

This is what I would rule it as...The mirror force was activated first then chained to with CotH. CotH would activate first bringing back a monster. This would cause a replay becuase to monster ratio changed so the attack was stopped and mirror force with no attack would just dissapear. You can then attack with the new monster and the old one. But I am not that sure...

Wise is correct on this one....Your chain with CotH would cause a replay. You would then summon, and now that you know he has a MF, had best stop and not call another attack or you will have wasted your CotH for nothing as both will then run into the MF.

Hope this helps.

I'm out!!

A replay only occurs when the number of monsters on the defender's side changes, not the attacker. So no replay would occur with what you were describing.

- Andrew

 

[krazykidpsx]

man its all chain of effect.

call activates before mirror.

since mirror is in the beggingin of the chain.

so simple you bring back a monster in attack just to get it killed by mirror force.

this does not cause a replay since the defenders side of the field never changed the number of monsters that he or she orginally had.


like stated by densetsu x, if you call jinzo then it completely negates all traps since he makes it out before mirror force resolves.

 

[soulwarrior]

If the rulings didn't change since ... August...

it IS possible to activate Call of the Haunted in the END STEP of the Battle Phase
-> then you have a newly special summoned monster in ATK position on the field
-> now it IS possible to go back to the Battle Step of the Battle Phase and attack with the newly special summoned monster (ATTENTION: This is NOT explicitly mentioned in the Rulebook ... it's another error in it.)

I asked bishop about this situation... and this was HIS answer.

I'm only writing the first line 'if the rulings didn't change...', because I was wrong in this forum before.. since I missed some minor rulings changes...

So I won't give you any kind of a guarantee, that this is true right NOW..
but believe me, it WAS true earlier this year for sure! xD

soul

 

[Dlanaan]

You should never be able to activate Mirror Force in the End Step. Mirror Force is only legal when an attack is declared (The Battle Step). The End Step is when you are wrapping up things in your Battle Phase (no attacks at this point).

 

[soulwarrior]

You should never be able to activate Mirror Force in the End Step. Mirror Force is only legal when an attack is declared (The Battle Step). The End Step is when you are wrapping up things in your Battle Phase (no attacks at this point).

Errr... yes! I meant Call of the Haunted ... of course... I think it's quite clear...because Mirror Force doesn't special summon a monster...
but I will edit it...

all this confusion here in my posts make me sick! *lol*

soul

 

[helpoemer316]

Chain: Link 1 Mirror Force is activated.
Link 2: Call of the Haunted is activated bringing back a monster.

Neither player chooses to add to the chain.

Resolution: Link 2: Call of the Haunted resolves first as the end of the chain bringing back a monster.
Link 1: Mirror Force resolves destroying every attack position monster on the attackers side of the field (including the CotH monster).

There were questions earlier this year and I think that's what bishop was referring to that mentioned "If my opponent Mirror Forces my attack, can I activate CotH after the resolution of Mirror Force and bring back one of my monsters and attack again?"

The answer was yes, and I haven't seen nor heard anything that goes against that. So you basically just activated CotH too early if you had planned to accomplish anything. You should have let Mirror Force resolve then activated CotH to bring back a monster and then attack once again.

 

[krazykidpsx]

mirror force doesnt end the battle phase, and coth is spell speed 2, so you could activat it after mirror force has resolved and all your face up attack position monsters are sent to the graveyard.