Shadow Spell in Damage Step

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Raigekick

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Some questions when "Shadow Spell" is activated in the Damage Step and targets the attacking monster:
  1. Does the attack stops? Or does the attack goes through but the attacking monster will now have its ATK decreased by 700 points?
  2. Is the Damage Calculation Skipped?
  3. What happens to the monster being attacked?
 
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1. The attack is stopped completely, the attacked is then decreased 700 points.
2. In this situation, you never make it to Damage Calculation.
3. The monster attacked is stopped, then a replay occurs.
 
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Raigekick said:
Some questions when "Shadow Spell" is activated in the Damage Step and targets the attacking monster:
  1. Does the attack stops? Or does the attack goes through but the attacking monster will now have its ATK decreased by 700 points?
  2. Is the Damage Calculation Skipped?
  3. What happens to the monster being attacked?
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This is a "guess"

Shadow Spell prevents a monster from declaring an attack.

Once you are in the Damage Step, the attack will continue, and provided that the monster survives the attack, it will then be prevented from declaring further attacks.

Under no circumstances does Replay occur.
 
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novastar said:
Shadow Spell prevents a monster from declaring an attack.
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Actually, "Shadow Spell" prevents a monster from attacking. If you activate it during Battle Step, the Attack will stop.

novastar said:
Once you are in the Damage Step, the attack will continue, and provided that the monster survives the attack, it will then be prevented from declaring further attacks.
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In you "guess", when does the ATK decrease happens, before or after Damage Calculations?


novastar said:
Under no circumstances does Replay occur.
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I agree with this. Once you reach Damage Step, no Replay may occur. Plus, the number of monsters in the opponent's side of the field did not change.
 
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Once the Trap resolves and attaches to the monster... during Damage Calculation in Step 1, before Step 2 when Damage is applied.

Step 1 of DC is when all of the ATK/DEF Modifiers are activated, that is the activation window. If you choose to activate Shadow Spell in the Damage Step, it will have to be then and only then.

By that by that time, it would be too late to stop the attack. I could see it going both ways though.
 
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Novastar, I'm not being disrespectful, but since you stated that this is your "guess" and I happened to agree with you, but I would like to have an official answer to this.

Can someone post this question to the Judge's List? Thanks.
 
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I'm not guessing as to when you activate it, or when the ATK decrease occurs.

I am only unsure as to whether the attack stops or not during Damage Calculation. It's always a tricky subject with that.

We need some clarity from a mechanical point of view in this regard.
 
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If Shadow Spell Is activated in the damage step The attack should still go through. The monster would lose 700 atk though. There is no official ruling posted but I am going of of the ruling from Threating Roar.

You can activate "Threatening Roar" in response to an attack, but the attack has already been declared so it will resolve normally. After that, your opponent cannot attack for the rest of the turn.
 
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novastar said:
I'm not guessing as to when you activate it, or when the ATK decrease occurs.

I am only unsure as to whether the attack stops or not during Damage Calculation. It's always a tricky subject with that.

We need some clarity from a mechanical point of view in this regard.
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I agree with you. I think the attack will still go through, but I need some tangible evidence to prove it.

blade146 said:
You can activate "Threatening Roar" in response to an attack, but the attack has already been declared so it will resolve normally. After that, your opponent cannot attack for the rest of the turn.
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This is different with "Threatening Roar" becuase the monster had declared an attack already, so activating it in Battle Step will not stop the attack. In addition, you can't activate "Threatening Roar" in Damage Step.

But I agree with you that the attack will still got through with a less ATK points. I just need a more tangible evidence. :)
 
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Raigekick said:
This is different with "Threatening Roar" becuase the monster had declared an attack already, so activating it in Battle Step will not stop the attack. In addition, you can't activate "Threatening Roar" in Damage Step.

But I agree with you that the attack will still got through with a less ATK points. I just need a more tangible evidence. :)
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How is it different? If you activate "Shadow Spell" in the damage step then the monster has already attacked. Actually this bring up another question. What if you activated "Shadow Spell" in response to the attack? Would the attack stop?
 
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blade146 said:
How is it different? If you activate "Shadow Spell" in the damage step then the monster has already attacked. Actually this bring up another question. What if you activated "Shadow Spell" in response to the attack? Would the attack stop?
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Yes. Shadow spell can stop an attack. Threatening roar cannot.
 
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blade146 said:
How is it different? If you activate "Shadow Spell" in the damage step then the monster has already attacked. Actually this bring up another question. What if you activated "Shadow Spell" in response to the attack? Would the attack stop?
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Yes, it would ...exactly as Spellbinding Circle would, check the rulings for that card. They are virtually identical with the exception of the 700 ATK decrease from Shadow Spell.

It has to with the fact that Threatening Roar puts a condition or restriction that prevents an attack declaration. Once the attack is declared its too late.

Shadow Spell stops the monster from attacking period.

Unfortunately i can't find ANY past rulings that can tell me whether it stops in the Damage Step.
 
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Also, you could look at Divine Wrath vs. Reflect Bounder rulings to see that once an attack goes to the Damage Step, it is already considered "successful" and will not be stopped. Just trying to provide a little context for the less "brainiac" duelists out there. :)
EDIT: Unless the monster is now in DEF position, etc.

-chaosruler
 
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Also, you could look at Divine Wrath vs. Reflect Bounder rulings to see that once an attack goes to the Damage Step, it is already considered "successful" and will not be stopped.
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Please post the specific ruling that says Reflect Bounder's attack will still go through. I couldn't find it.

Oh, the JERP says that Curse of Darkness can't be activated in the damage step. Go figure.
 
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Raijinili said:
Please post the specific ruling that says Reflect Bounder's attack will still go through. I couldn't find it.

Oh, the JERP says that Curse of Darkness can't be activated in the damage step. Go figure.
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Good, chances are the answer will be no for Curse.

What does it say about Shadow Spell? will the attack stop in the Damage Step?
 
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blade146 said:
How is it different? If you activate "Shadow Spell" in the damage step then the monster has already attacked. Actually this bring up another question. What if you activated "Shadow Spell" in response to the attack? Would the attack stop?
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Shadow Spell is more closly related to Nightmare Wheel:

"Select 1 monster. As long as this card remains face-up on the field, the selected monster cannot attack or change its battle position except by the effect of a Spell, Trap or Effect Monster Card. This card inflicts 500 points of Direct Damage to your opponent's Life Points during each of your Standby Phases. When the selected monster is destroyed or removed from the field, this card is also destroyed. "

The second ruling on this card:

If you activate "Nightmare Wheel" during the Battle Step and target a monster that is attacking, the attack stops.
 
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I'm sorry, I meant a monster ATTACKING Reflect Bounder won't cause a replay, bad example, I guess. It's on the thread:http://www.igforums.com//threads/5995


holy criznap, I had to go back like 12 pages to find it, but they said that if you Divine Wrath Reflect Bounder's effect when you attack it, the attack is already considered successful (in regards to replays, but still helps with "success" of attacks).
-chaosruler
 
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chaosruler said:
I'm sorry, I meant a monster ATTACKING Reflect Bounder won't cause a replay, bad example, I guess. It's on the thread:http://www.igforums.com//threads/5995


holy criznap, I had to go back like 12 pages to find it, but they said that if you Divine Wrath Reflect Bounder's effect when you attack it, the attack is already considered successful (in regards to replays, but still helps with "success" of attacks).
-chaosruler
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Actually, no. That thread concluded that since Reflect Bounder was destroyed before actual damage calculation, the attack could not go through, but the monster could not attack again. And a thread is not a ruling -_-.

Oh, and Shadow Spell = Curse of Darkness.
 
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Raijinili said:
Oh, and Shadow Spell = Curse of Darkness.
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??? That's a confusing state of affairs, since there's a different card in English called Curse of Darkness, it's a continuous Trap card:
IOC-106, Curse of Darkness, Each time a Spell Card is activated, the controller of that Spell Card takes 1000 points of damage.
 
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