Spellcaster Deck, needs a lot of help

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sirch1964

Don't fear da Reaper
thought I'd try this out. Only problem is, I'm short on cards such as Premature Burial, Call of the Haunted, Creature Swap, Mind Control, etc...

Monsters: 19
3 Dark Magician
1 Chaos Sorcerer
1 Dark Magician Girl
1 Frontier Wiseman
1 Mask of Darkness
1 Sangan
1 Magician of Faith
1 Dark Elf
2 Zombyra the Dark
1 Gearfried the Iron Knight
2 Mechanicalchaser
3 Dark Mimic LV1
1 Night Assailant

Spells: 15
1 Thousand Knives
1 Diffusion Wave-Motion
1 Snatch Steal
1 Card Destruction
1 Hammer Shot
1 Different Dimension Capsule
1 Nobleman of Crossout
1 Mystical Space Typhoon
1 Scapegoat
1 The Warrior Returning Alive
1 The A. Forces
1 Reinforcement of the Army
1 Sword of Dragon's Soul
1 Fusion Sword Murasame Blade
1 Magic Reflector

Trap: 10
1 Jar of Greed
1 Fake Trap
1 Spirit Barrier
3 Waboku
1 Curse of Royal
3 Shadow Spell

Please Rate/Fix. Oh hell, skip the rate, just fix.:teeth:
 
just wait till the structure deck comes out, then your deck get ubber good. no really you will enjoy it alot.

i already made a spellcaster deck but it wont be anyware as good till the structure comes out since its missing alot of cards.

mostly dimensional magic which is what it needs the most.
 
Maybe this would work better???


Monsters: 17
3 Skilled Dark Magician
2 Apprentice Magician
2 Old Vindictive Magician
2 Dark Magician
2 Dekoichi the Battlechanted Locomotive
1 Mobius the Frost Monarch
1 Tsukuyomi
1 Breaker the Magical Warrior
1 D. D. Warrior Lady
1 Sangan
1 Magician of Faith

Spells: 18
3 Wave-Motion Cannon
3 Smashing Ground
2 Nobleman of Extermination
1 Dark Hole
1 Confiscation
1 Book of Moon
1 Heavy Storm
1 Premature Burial
1 Swords of Revealing Light
1 Dark Magic Attack
1 Snatch Steal
1 Nobleman of Crossout
1 Mystical Space Typhoon
1 Scapegoat

Trap: 7
3 Dust Tornado
2 Magic Drain
1 Call of the Haunted
1 Torrential Tribute

This might work better for you. It has a similar flow to mine (don't look at the one in my signature, it isn't updated).


Here are some other cards you could/should consider using.

Messenger of Peace
Injection Fairy Lily
Jinzo
Fairy Box
Needle Ceiling
Ceasefire
Magic Cylinder
Different Dimension Capsule
Wall of Revealing Light
Megamorph
Solemn Judgment
My Body as a Shield
 
I would consider using 1 or 2 Apprentice Magician. It will thin out your deck, provide some defence and will help you get monsters out to tribute for the Dark Magician (or DMoc).

I've also found that Dark Magic Attack is next to useless most time. Either you won't be able to use it, or you'll only end up destroying 1 or 2 S/T's which isn't worth the bother. Maybe substitute it for a Brain Contorl? Brain Control will let you deliver a beating to your opponent, and you can also use it to tribute an opponents monster.
 
Actually I've never had that problem to be honest. I've always drawn Dark Magic Attack when I needed it or used it for other things such as Dust Tornado bait. At least let him test it out before completely saying I'm wrong. Not every card is useless for everyone. If and when Dark Magic Attack proves to be useless, don't replace it with Brain Control for your first selection. Try out Double Spell, Monster Recovery, My Body as a Shield, and Different Dimension Capsule work for you. If anything, try Giant Trunade. Brain Control might ultimately be more effective than the other cards mentioned, but the point is to get a better understanding of how the deck could flow.
 
Personally, I don't like the double DMs, just seems to cluttersome, and deck thinning monsters is not a good thing if the opponent manages to hold. This means that more likely than not, you won't have a good monster line for the kill.

Edit: Referring to Twi's deck
 
And yet I've already proved to people with your opinion that they're wrong. Think about it. Enough people will be running Card Destruction and Morphing Jar for it not to matter. If you're really that scared about it then run Morphing Jar or Cyber Jar yourself.

But heaven forbid you listen to someone with experience dealing with the deck type in question.

I've already said this before. If you don't try something, HOW do you know if it will work for you or not? You don't, so try it and then adjust.
 
You could say that Dark Magic Attack is like an extra Heavy Storm. atleast 1 sided but with a requirement.

use it, actually in my future spellcaster deck im using 1 my self. well the fact that i can keep good field control with the spell line up says that its decent enough to play it.

i know Brain Control lately got alot more potential since we dont have extra Book of Moons, but it doesnt mean it oh so godly that it should be the first pick, any other card mention by TK is worth a try. see which help you out more in certain situations. :)
 
Edit...Running Spellcaster can be tricky... ... it can have so many builds but it has to be customized to YOUR play style i guess.... They are really versatile.....

You may want to look at going with ALL SPELLCASTERS.. they have the support.... and Rivalry of Warlords.....

Oh, and Dark Magic Attack IMO, is so much nicer than Thousand Knives....

Cant wait to see the new Structure Deck.... im sure it will be a very different build than most are used too.....
 
Thousand Knives is a waste of space. Why go to the trouble of running Thousand Knives when you can run Smashing Ground. If you CAN activate Thousand Knives it means you have a Dark Magician on the field..... why would you waste a card in hand to destroy a monster when you can destroy it in battle? If you Don't have Dark Magician on the field then you have a dead weight.

Try a a few Skilled Dark Magicians, 2 Toon Gemini Elfs and 3 Toon Table of Contents (toon table gets toon table which gets toon table which gets Toon Gemini Elf; thins the deck and adds three spell counters to a Skilled Dark Magician)

Also, Tkwiget, your build is missing Dark Magician...
 
Umm, no my build isn't missing Dark Magician. It's right underneath Old Vindictive Magician. Now in my actual deck thread, that's another story since I listed the monsters slightly different. (A mere guess on that.)

Also I've tried the Toon Gemini Elf and Toon Table of Contents. Doesn't work as well as some people think. But, that's just from online results and no one should really go by those results. Try it out, might work for you. Just keep this in mind, it does take up a considerable amount of space in your deck. Three Toon Table of Contents and two Toon Gemini Elf can drop the strength of your deck more than you realize. Also using it to give Skilled Dark Magician Spell Counters from Toon Table of Contents might seem ok, but what use will it be if their going to Bottomless Trap Hole your Dark Magician when you bring it out?

The issue with learning how a deck type works effectively is how long you've been running one. I've been running Spellcasters for a little over a year now. I've got a huge obsession of spells and wizards (hint: D&D) and have extended it towards Yu-Gi-Oh!.

I still haven't got solid results on a lot of cards I've been testing out since I don't go to tournaments on a regular basis. So here's another listing of cards I've considered testing or have tested but with limited results.

Raigeki Break
Mage Power
United We Stand
Maha Vailo
White Magical Hat
Widespread Ruin
Windstorm of Etaqua
Bait Doll
Cybernetic Cyclopean
Cybernetic Magician
Big Bang Shot
Diffusion Wave-Motion
Sorcerer of Dark Magic
Royal Decree (Use only as a last resort selection)
Ojama Trio
Compulsory Evacuation Device
Dark Magician of Chaos
Mystic Swordsman LV2
Spirit Reaper
Mystic Tomato
Lightning Vortex (Never know)
Tribute to The Doomed
Giant Trunade
Airknight Parshath
Mobius the Frost Monarch
Creature Swap


As for possible NEW cards that will show up in a month or in a few months.

Dimensional Magic
Thunder of Dark Realm
Jar of Avarice


This enables you to make good use of Dark Magician of Chaos and Ante VERY effectively. So you could load up your deck with a couple Dark Magician and a Dark Magician of Chaos with a couple Ante and Confiscation. Magic Drains and Time Seal to top off the obvious control concepts. Lastly throw in a couple Spirit Reaper to deal with Cyber Dragons, for stalling, and for hand removal purposes. =) Could even try out Don Zaloog.

This comment is to Kingpinopie.

There aren't a ton of Dark Magician builds. In fact there really is only two. Hand Disruption and Aggro/Beatdown. Phoenix isn't even needed nor should it be used for these kinds of decks. So give some of the cards I threw out to you a try. Some of it might actually work. =)
 
Tkwiget said:
Actually I've never had that problem to be honest. I've always drawn Dark Magic Attack when I needed it or used it for other things such as Dust Tornado bait. At least let him test it out before completely saying I'm wrong.
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I didn't say you were right or wrong, I added input based on my experience. As my evidence, I work as a Financial Analyst and I've used our statistical market forcaster many times to work out statistics for poker and other card games. The odds of you getting a Dark Magic Attack in an average 42 card deck that includes two level 7's and 1 level 6 monster, adding the parameters for having 1.5 monsters on the field for tribute for a Dark Magician or two revival cards, is 0.17 or 17% which is just less than 1/5. If you like those odds or it works for you, good for you, but why are you assuming that I have no idea what I'm talking about?

I don't see the point of running cards that end up being dead weight in my hand, like DMA has been for me at the 3 times I took a DM deck to a tournament. But that's just my personal style.


Not every card is useless for everyone. If and when Dark Magic Attack proves to be useless, don't replace it with Brain Control for your first selection.
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How do you even know what selection Brain Contorl was for me? You are presuming again, and presumptions never pay off.

I don't expect to be attacked for simply and politely adding my input.
 
krazykidpsx said:
i know Brain Control lately got alot more potential since we dont have extra Book of Moons, but it doesnt mean it oh so godly that it should be the first pick, any other card mention by TK is worth a try. see which help you out more in certain situations. :)
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It wasn't my first pick though. It was actually my 5th. I pick my cards after stastical assessments (I love working for Bloomberg, their software has helped me cheat at so many online poker games hehe) and a through testing out against other players on my level.
 
England and the United States are two different levels of playing style. Dark Magic Attack might work better over here than it does over there. Like other cards. I did have a feeling I blew up on you though. Also, a lot of good a "statistical market forcaster" is if you never physically experience something. To actually see it with your own eyes is more convincing to the mind that the idea will work or not. That's just how I see it. (Even though you said you've tried it out.)
 
I wouldn't want to fill my deck up with extra space. Thining my deck down by 3 cards is insanely good, you are more likely to get to your power cards. Also, pot of avatar or whatever it's called lets me shuffle alot of my self replenishing monsters back into my deck.

I'm saying your wrong in that there may be better options, I'm simply saying thining a deck out is a good thing.

I have a Upstart Goblin in my warrior deck because I couldn't find a 40th card.

Also, you don't wanna mess with Blast Magician ;)
 
Tkwiget said:
Also, a lot of good a "statistical market forcaster" is if you never physically experience something. To actually see it with your own eyes is more convincing to the mind that the idea will work or not. That's just how I see it. (Even though you said you've tried it out.)
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It's not a statistical market forcaster. It's a statistical analyser simliar to Mathamatica. I mainly use it find and predict trends in the economy, but you can adapt it for other stuff.

The program effectively DOES see it with it's own eyes, about 100,000 times per second. What you get is the odds of something occuring, with the context and permeters given to the program, as defined by the laws of maths. I simply don't have the time to try out every card or change to a deck 10 times, never mind 100,000 !!

By the time you "physically experience it" it could be when you are losing at a tournment and that's just too late for me. (yes I'm slightly competative). But each to their own; variety is the spice of life etc...
 
To each their own. Some high risk cards are very satisfying to actually pull off. The fact that you have to have the DM to use it does make it less flexible than some of the other alternatives but against a deck that is heavy in the back field it should be much easier to pull it off and that is where it shines.

Certainly when compared to most of what we have seen in tournament play for the last 2 years Dark Magic Attack wouldn't be a very competitive choice. The Chaos (scorched earth very few cards on the field and never set anything unless it is chainable) philosophy has truly left its mark on the competitive crowd. This will change, though the Phoenix still boosts the scorched earth philosophy, there will be many decks that use the back field for more than MST, Dust Tornadoes, and the occassional Waboku. Viva la difference.
 
Tkwiget said:
Raigeki Break
Mage Power
United We Stand
Maha Vailo
White Magical Hat
Widespread Ruin
Windstorm of Etaqua
Bait Doll
Cybernetic Cyclopean
Cybernetic Magician
Big Bang Shot
Diffusion Wave-Motion
Sorcerer of Dark Magic
Royal Decree
Ojama Trio
Compulsory Evacuation Device
Dark Magician of Chaos
Mystic Swordsman LV2
Spirit Reaper
Mystic Tomato
Lightning Vortex (Never know)
Tribute to The Doomed
Giant Trunade
Airknight Parshath
Mobius the Frost Monarch
Creature Swap

As for possible NEW cards that will show up in a month or in a few months.

Dimensional Magic
Thunder of Dark Realm
Jar of Avarice

Thank you for the list of suggested cards. As far as other comments go from some of you, I'd really appreciate the input but some of it sounded a little bossy. I'm not one who takes well to that. I don't really know if there are differences in playing style between the U.S. and Europe, all I know is my playing style. I am very passive the first game, then very aggressive the next two. That's why I was looking at Spellcasters. It seemed to me that if you learn on how to run one correctly, nobody could touch you (am I wrong?).

Once again, thanks for the help everyone.

Tkwiget, we need to get together sometime and duel.
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Wow, using Xing Zhen Hu, right on.. I like that... they actually go great with Cold Wave... can really shut an opponent down...

Also, The Judgment of Anubis is a very good card too, I used to run it and sometimes it seemed useless, or like I just got it at the wrong times, then I started running 2 of them..... way better.... maybe think on 2 of them? .... I like Thousand Knives too, mostly cuz the card looks so cool, but in my opinion its a toss up of that of Dark Magic Attack... Maybe think on siding one? .... laterz man... hope for an update after this weeks tourneys on how it runs.....

Oh and you ARE right, Spellcaster Decks are SO Versatile... so Deadly... you can totally be passive the first game and learn how to run your deck against the opponent, then let them have it the second and third cuz they are so flexible with their combos and ability to hurt the opponent... I think It may be the most UNDER RATED deck build out there... at least up till lately... .. i think Im going to put mine back together and start running it competitively.... just so i can see how high I can place in Regionals and see if i can get it to a nationals..... hehehe.....
 
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