Tell me if this is legal

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DaAmazing1

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The new set DJL is upon us an since I have recently been going bonkers with a Fantatic Fun deck and these card stick in my mind from the new set.

[font=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Barry Allen <> The Flash (DJL-003)
[/font][font=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Card Text:
Whenever Barry Allen becomes powered-up while attacking a character, if Barry Allen is unequipped, you may ready him. If you do, he cannot cause breakthrough this turn as normal.

[/font][font=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Nth Metal (DJL-187)
[/font][font=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Whenever equipped character attacks or defends, you may power-up that character.

[/font][font=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Mr. Fantastic (MOR-056)
[/font][font=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Equipment cards cost you 1 less to recruit. [/font] [font=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Pay 2 endurance -> Transfer target equipment you control to an unequipped Fantastic Four character you control.[/font]

[font=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Now if you equip Barry Allen with Nth Metal and have Mr. Fantastic on the field and have them teamed up. Isn't it possible to have Barry Allen Attack having Nth Metal's trigger go off putting its effect on the chain then have Mr. Fantastic chain his effect to move Nth Metal off Barry Allen onto some other character or himself. Then if Nth Metal's effect resolves wouldn't Barry Allen's effect trigger and he would then re-ready.
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Thats just stupid. ("Stupid" in the "Holy Crap! Thats Broken!" sense of the word.) Now throw in the card that lets you equip a character with more than one equip and throw in a Kevlar Body Armor. Wait, that is stupid.
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Maybe I should have just said:
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Don't think it works that way. When Nth Metal goes to resolve it is no longer on the attacking character so the effect doesn't happen. The effect reads when equiped charcter attacks so I am assuming it has to stay on the character until it resolves. The only reason I say this is because it is one effect and not 2. There is no period after the when equiped character attacks. Of course I could be wrong here.
 
It won't work that way, this isn't YGO where the targets of effects are picked at activation, in VS, targets are not chosen until resolution.

So essentially what will happen is this.

You attacked with Barry Allen equipped, chaining to the effect of the equip card you used Mr. Fantastic to transfer it to another character. Barry Allen's effect wouldn't trigger becuase this is how the chain went.

Link 1: Equip card
Link 2: Mr. Fantastic's effect.

Chain does resolve backwards like in all other games.

Link 2: Mr. Fantastic resolves moving target equipment to target unequipped Fantastic Four character.
Link 1: Equipment card attempts to resolve, but it is no longer equipped to an attacker or defender and therefore doesn't resolve.

Barry Allen never becomes powered-up and therefore his effect never triggers.

Of course... I myself could be wrong... I think that it's unlikely though...
 
Only thing is, the Equipment is being transfered in this scenario. And an Equipment only targets when its recruited, not when it's transfered.
 
The effect of the equipment triggers when the character equipped attacks or defends. This means that the equipment effect will go on the chain, as such since the equipment goes on the chain and you wish to chain to the power-up effect you attempt to transfer the equipment before it resolves. That's what I'm talking about as far as the equipment goes, I'm not talking about any recruit effect.

Now, you could do this in the chain and it would probably work...

Allow the equipment to power-up (resolve) and then when Barry Allen's effect triggers due to being powered-up chain to Barry Allen with the effect of Mr. Fantastic: Stretch and transfer the equipment then. The chain will resolve backwards as usual with the equipment being transfered to an unequipped Fantastic Four character and Barry Allen would resolve and since he's unequipped he will re-ready. It should be workable that way as I see no major holes in it and Barry Allen does become powered-up and he isn't equipped when his effect resolves. But once again, that I'm not entirely sure, it seems feasible but there could be something I'm missing.

But I'll say it again, in the first scenerio you asked about, if you were to chain directly to the equipment effect when it triggers then you wouldn't be able to pull off the combo completely.
 
I was merely addressing your first statement about targets being chosen at resolution and not at actiavtion like in the Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG. Since the Equipment is being transfered in this instance, targeting is not an issue.
 
It was me going off track a bit with it, nothing more. I was thinking about something totally different when I started writing the other post, lol.
 
Ah, okay. :) I just wish we would discuss VS Mechanics more often. It would help me to get a better grasp of things.
 
So let me see if I understand this correctly.

Both Barry Allen's and Nth Metals powers are Triggered Powers. So they will only look at the conditions at the momonet they were triggerred, not when they resolve, right?
 
Barry Allen is equipped with Nth metal and attacks.
This triggers Nth Metal's power (a Power-Up) and it is added to the chain.
Nth Metal is allowed to resolve.
This triggers Barry Allens power (to ready him) and it is added to the chain.
Mr Fantastic's power (tranfering equips) is chained to Barry's power.
Mr Fantastic's power resolves first transfering the equip to some other character.
Barry Allen's power resolves second......

OKay, I'm having a problem here. If the game checks for legality at both activation and resolution then I can't imagine the chain in any order that would allow Barry Allen's power to activate, because he has to be equipped at some point during the Power-up.
 
I don't think the effect works either way. We have proven the first theory wrong. As for letting Nth Metal resolve and then move it. This might not work either. When Bary Allen becomes powered up he is equipped. So his effect should not activated.
 
Well, having the chance to read the cards, I realized I mis-read some parts and blade is correct.

Nth Metal triggers when Barry attacks. In order to be powered up, Nth Metal has to stay on him.

Barry's effect will trigger when he is powered up and checks if he's equipped at that time. Since Nth metal won't resolve unless it's on Barry, he would not be able to be both powered up (by Nth) and not equipped.

Sorry about my previous posts. I'll stop answering stuff at work when I don't have much time to read everything all the way through... :tssk:
 
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