Thunder Nyan Nyan vs Elemental Mistress Doriado

[Fiendish Envoy]

This question came up on another board and is quite an interesting situation.

Player A has Thunder Nyan Nyan on his side of the field.
Player A summons Elemental Mistress Doriado.

Is Thunder Nyan Nyan destroyed?

 

[Digital Jedi]

This question came up on another board and is quite an interesting situation.

Player A has Thunder Nyan Nyan on his side of the field.
Player A summons Elemental Mistress Doriado.

Is Thunder Nyan Nyan destroyed?

Um, yes it is.

 

[Fiendish Envoy]

I was thinking the same thing since Elemental Mistress Doriado is not looking for a Light monster, but is looking for a non-LIGHT monster.

Any other opinions?

 

[skey23]

I was thinking the same thing since Elemental Mistress Doriado is not looking for a Light monster, but is looking for a non-LIGHT monster.

Any other opinions?

Did you mean "Thunder Nyan Nyan"?....lol..

 

[Fiendish Envoy]

Yea...that

 

[Digital Jedi]

If you had a Thunder Nyan Nyan on the field any monster brought to the field who wasn't LIGHT would trigger her effect. It doesn't matter if the monster happens to also be LIGHT just like it wouldn't matter if you had a LIGHT and a non-LIGHT.

 

[Fiendish Envoy]

If you had a Thunder Nyan Nyan on the field any monster brought to the field who wasn't LIGHT would trigger her effect. It doesn't matter if the monster happens to also be LIGHT just like it wouldn't matter if you had a LIGHT and a non-LIGHT.

My point exactly.

 

[CraniumX]

Come to think of it, what if you had DNA Transplant out, turning everything to Light, would Doriado still be the other elements, or would she be, uh, Light, Light, Light, Light, and Light while on the field?

 

[Fiendish Envoy]

Straight from the source:

If "Scroll of Bewitchment" or "DNA Transplant" changes the Attribute of "Elemental Mistress Doriado", her Attribute becomes that Attribute only. (Her effect is not applied.)

 

[Digital Jedi]

[Re: Elemental Mistress Doriado] If "Scroll of Bewitchment" or "DNA Transplant" changes the Attribute of "Elemental Mistress Doriado", her Attribute becomes that Attribute only. (Her effect is not applied.)

 

[CraniumX]

Well there you go, just run DNA Transplant if you plan to do that.

 

[novastar]

Well i saw the post on Pojo, and i'll admit Tranorix brings up a good point, but i still think the Thunder Nyan Nyan would be destroyed.

 

[jpnuar1]

I would imagine that Thunder Nyan Nyan would be destroyed. Not, however, because Elemental Mistress Doriado includes a non-light type(s), but because she does not even include light in her type. I would imagine that since there is no "multi" symbol for attributes, that they just used light, even though that isn't her type.

Aftre all, Thunder Nyan Nyan's effect says that she is destroyed when there is a non-light monster on the controller's field, not when there is a monster monster with a non-light attribute included in it. Basically, Elemental Mistress Doriado is a non-light monster, but she is not, for example, a non-earth type, even though elements other than earth are included in her effect.

So if a similar card were to come out that is both, say, light and water, Thunder Nyan Nyan would not be destroyed, because that monster is a light monster, it just includes other types as well...

Edit: I only just noticed that Elemental Mistress Doriado's effect says "also", I didn't notice that, so I would like to reverse my previous opinion, and now say that Thunder Nyan Nyan would stay on the field even if Elemental Mistress Doriado was on the field as well.

 

[chaosruler]

Now you're forgetting that Doriado is also a Non-Light, and as such will cause Thunder Nyan Nyan to destroy herself.

-chaosruler

 

[jpnuar1]

Now you're forgetting that Doriado is also a Non-Light, and as such will cause Thunder Nyan Nyan to destroy herself.

-chaosruler

At which point we disagree. You beleive that if a monster includes a non-light attribute, then it is a non-light monster. I beleive that if a monster includes light in it's attributes, then it is a full blown light monster, regardless of what else it may include.

 

[DaGuyWitBluGlasses]

If we take the prefix "non" literally then Thunder Nyan-nyan will NOT be destroyed.

When you use the term non-X then there isn't any inbetween. You are either X or non-X (unless X is something that doesn't exist, like if X meant above, but you're in a 2D universe it doesn't exist for you)

Is DOriado a light monster? YEs it is. THerefore it is not a non-light monster.

However UDE/Konami aren't grammar experts: (Some mistakes are UDE's fault and not konami's)

Thunder Nyan-Nyan probably means "a monster of a type other than light." Konami just deciced that "non-light" sounded "cooler" so they went with non-light.

Which would mean that it would be destroyed. Arguing about it won't answer the question. A judge list post will be needed.

 

[Fiendish Envoy]

Well, we've got an answer. Curtis posted this on pojo:

Ms. Kitty goes boom.


Ms. Kitty isn't fond of Water(zap!). Or Fire(ouch). Or the Wind (messes up her hair). Or even the Earth (grounding issues).

 

[Digital Jedi]

I dont get where all the confusion is coming from. Non-light measn a monster other than light. EMD is something other than light. This is remarkable simple, but it seem like its being overcomplicated here.

 

[DaGuyWitBluGlasses]

I dont get where all the confusion is coming from. Non-light measn a monster other than light. EMD is something other than light. This is remarkable simple, but it seem like its being overcomplicated here.

Nope, non-light means a monster that is not light (nothing about other) Dryad is light, therefore dryad is not non-light.

Let's say a person work for UDE, but also has a job at a convenience store. From UDE's perspective, does the job elsewhere make that person a nonemployee because they work for someone other thatn UDE? No it doesn't: That person is still employed by UDE, s/he is an employee, therefore is not a nonemployee.

EDIT: *POKE* Thunder Nyan Nyan needs errata

 

[densetsu_x]

Ok, the question as already been answered. The only attribute you can have on your side of the field for Thunder Nyan Nyan to survive is Light. Doriado, while Light, also gives you 4 other attributes on the field, hence why TNN goes *boom*.