Tsukuyomi and Light of Intervention

[Fiendish Envoy]

If Light of Intervention is on the field and a mandatory effect that flips a monster into face-down defense position is activated (like Tsukuyomi), would the monster go to face-up defense position or would the mandatory effect not take place?

 

[chaos general]

"While this card is on the field you cannot flip a monster face-down with "Book of Moon", "Darkness Approaches", etc."

I think that means that---?? Ahem...

I think that means that you cant use Tsukuyomi's effect there either.

 

[Fiendish Envoy]

Those are optional effects that you can choose to activate.

Tsukuyomi's effect is not optional; it is mandatory.

I'm not sure if they work the same way.

 

[densetsu_x]

Think of it like "Morphing Jar #2" which only special summons monsters face-down. With Light of Intervention on the field, the monsters are special summoned in face-up defense instead.. You do the best you can to do the effect with the knowledge that monsters can't be flipped face down. So with Tsukuyomi, you can summon it, it'll return to your hand during the end phase, but it tried to flip a monster face down but can't because of Light of Intervention. So that part of the effect fizzles.

EDIT: I was reminded of something I said back in the day about "Swords of Concealing Light" with "Light of Intervention", the monsters would be placed into face-up defense position. So chances are it would be similar here in that the monster could be forced into defense position, but face-up instead. So it's a semi-fizzle.

 

[Gohi]

When u summon Tsukuyomi you must flip monster face down, so if u cant flip monster face down you cant summon tsukoyomi

 

[Fiendish Envoy]

When u summon Tsukuyomi you must flip monster face down, so if u cant flip monster face down you cant summon tsukoyomi

If there are no monsters on the field, you can still summon Tsukuyomi. She would target herself for the effect.

 

[chaos general]

Yes, but in this case she either:

a) wouldnt have a legal target

or

b) would have her effect try to happen, but dissapear.

 

[Fiendish Envoy]

Yes, but in this case she either:

a) wouldnt have a legal target

or

b) would have her effect try to happen, but dissapear.

She has to target herself if she is the only monster on the field.

 

[Digital Jedi]

When u summon Tsukuyomi you must flip monster face down, so if u cant flip monster face down you cant summon tsukoyomi

Tsukuyomi's effect is, indeed, manditory, but there is absolutly nothing preventing him from being summoned to the field. Light of Intervention only effects sets, but it has nothing to do with the effects of monsters that are summoned. Tsukuyomi would just be summoned without effect. Light of Intervention has no bearing on a Normal Summon.

 

[densetsu_x]

As I said above, you may get a partial effect. Her effect can still put a monster into defense position, but just not face-down.

 

[Digital Jedi]

Right, I left that part out. I meant to say "without full effect."

 

[Fiendish Envoy]

I asked Curtis about this and he said:

1. The effect still activates, because its forced to, but it shouldnt turn the monster face-down. I'll ask.

Looks like he doesn't know this one either...