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The reason I would be unimpressed to meet him, not to mention unimpressed to meet any of those top 8 SJC winners is because as much as Konami is at fault with Yu-Gi-Oh!, UDE has a lot to answer for too and Kevin would be at the center of it. Name changes for example and how he treats fanlations as "incorrect".

When Edo Phoenix declares in English while still speaking Japanese D-Hero Diehard Guy, D-Hero Diamond Guy, and etc it is wrong for the fanlations to say that is the right name? Even the OCG calls them that and so will the TCG players. I feel sorry for Destiny Hero users soon to appear in the TCG. Thanks to Kevin they will have to deal with harsh words and names when they summon their Destiny Hero - Captain Tenacious.
 
Well originally what I heard, Konami is the reason that we get the name and art changes and not UDE because culture differences between the country. This makes sense since we are two different markets and U.S.A. enjoys the censor heavy way of life over Japan's more mature and controlled censors. Take it at whatever value you want to take it at. Either way, for someone to come into the open about priority and then quickly change their stance on it in secret leaves me little to be impressed.

Now the WC2006 actually makes sense to me because every time I summon another monster I get the pop-up asking me do I want to use an effect. Now if we can just have some other mechanics defined. I would not be surprised at the answers from the top 8 SJC about priority though. It would prove to be interesting how bad the game is being played without people knowing it.
 
Tiso,

If you think that the Japanese cards have the original name you are making an appeal to tradition (since the japanese cards are released first) and you would be wrong.

Japanese names aren't (necessarily) the original names.

And Edo certainly doesn't have any clue what the original names are, as this is not information that Konami releases.
 
Japanese card comes out first. Translate it. Name says D-Hero Diehard Guy. TCG gets it. Name changes to Captain Tenacious. Sounds like a solid translation there! Not. Also, you must have the Edo confused. I am talking about Edo Phoenix, character on GX that actually says the card names on the show. Not Haiwai Edo.
 
Tiso said:
Japanese card comes out first. Translate it. Name says D-Hero Diehard Guy. TCG gets it. Name changes to Captain Tenacious. Sounds like a solid translation there! Not. Also, you must have the Edo confused. I am talking about Edo Phoenix, character on GX that actually says the card names on the show. Not Haiwai Edo.
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It doesn't matter what cards come out first. There realease has nothing to do with the names And the Anime doesn't decalre the original names either.

So saying that the name changed to the TCG version is completely fallacious.

The TCG version can very well be the real name. And the others are altered for the japanese market. "Tenacious" isn't exactly a word for english-as-a-second-language.
 
DaGuyWitBluGlasses said:
It doesn't matter what cards come out first. There realease has nothing to do with the names And the Anime doesn't decalre the original names either.

So saying that the name changed to the TCG version is completely fallacious.

The TCG version can very well be the real name. And the others are altered for the japanese market. "Tenacious" isn't exactly a word for english-as-a-second-language.
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Right...... because someone like me who watches the Japanese episodes each week, knows Japanese, is clearly wrong to declare that the card name is correct when a Japanese character on the show is clearly declaring its name in English. Clearly YGO was made with the TCG in mind and everything in the OCG is wrong.
 
Tiso said:
Right...... because someone like me who watches the Japanese episodes each week, knows Japanese, is clearly wrong to declare that the card name is correct when a Japanese character on the show is clearly declaring its name in English. Clearly YGO was made with the TCG in mind and everything in the OCG is wrong.
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Everything before that last sentence is accurate.

You watching the Japanese episodes, or speaking Japanese has absolutely no barring on what is correct or not. It in no way influences those who make the decisions, it in no way influences those who design the game.

Now as for the TCG vs OCG. Neither one is wrong nor correct. The same applies for both Japanese or English in the Japanese episodes.

An episode is jsut that an episode. A work of fiction, and not a source of information beyond itself. An episode has absolutely no barring on the TCG nor the OCG.
 
I am sorry, but I need to take a detour from the priority talk just to understand your reasoning behind this.

DaGuyWitBluGlasses said:
Everything before that last sentence is accurate.

You watching the Japanese episodes, or speaking Japanese has absolutely no barring on what is correct or not. It in no way influences those who make the decisions, it in no way influences those who design the game.

Now as for the TCG vs OCG. Neither one is wrong nor correct. The same applies for both Japanese or English in the Japanese episodes.

An episode is jsut that an episode. A work of fiction, and not a source of information beyond itself. An episode has absolutely no barring on the TCG nor the OCG.
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So you are saying, the TV show has no barring whatsoever on the OCG/TCG itself? Regardless of the fact that Konami uses the TV to market their cards that are soon to be released in that format or the fact they show off upcoming cards in their Card Showcase at the end of each episode now. But clearly, it is just an episode and everything in it is fiction. So when we first were introduced to Cyber Dragon in episode 8, that was fiction because as far as the OCG/TCG is concerned Cyber Dragon was the wrong name and was the wrong effect since as you said, the episode is just fiction. Sorry, but you are wrong and I refuse to go any further into this matter. Konami views the Japanese market 1st (OCG) with the English market (TCG) as 2nd. What happens in the episodes of a show that is meant to market the card game Konami owns has a definite impact on what goes on in the game, name of the cards, what cards are going to be released, and so on.
 
Back in the day during the Yugioh: Duel Monsters and so forth the Game and the Show werent in sinc and that was ovious. but now with Yugioh GX the game is suppose to be in sinc and the show acts kind of like a little spoiler.

If that is incorrect then the next set shouldnt have Destiny Hero's. and the set before shouldnt have cards from the Show either.

Oviously Konami isnt using the show just for kicks. Its like their way to Reasearch and Develop more future cards.

Look at Hane-Kuriboh or Winged Kuriboh... Same name / same effect as the show. :)
 
The television show is no more a lexicon for card names, then a few Element based Yu-Gi-Oh! Cards is a lexicon for the Periodic Table of Elements.

The Card Game begets the TV show, not the other way around. Most of us know that using the series for rulings is faulty because they choose creative license over fact of gameplay. The card names should be no different.

The series reflects the TCG, but never mirrors it to perfection. A decision made in the offices of Konami and handed down to the producers of the series might change from the time a card is shown in broadcast. It's the company's right to make arbitrary decisions like that. A card could very easily have alternate art work, attributes, and even effects by the time a series announces it and we get the actual card. How is the possibility of a name being different, of not being what the series said it would be, such a difficult, and different, thing to imagine?
 
You might want to change TCG to OCG Jedi in your post since that would be an inaccurate statement.

Now it is one thing for 4Kids to fumble the ball when it comes to translations or names (but a lot of that has to do with Konami). Early in GX, for those who watched it in Japanese a lot of cards have different artwork and effects. The reason they have different effects vary, but keep in mind that even as close to the game as GX is, it is still following the anime rules of the game. This is just bad development on Konami that a card will do one thing on the show, but does something else in real life, I.E. Card of Sanctity. Changing art-work of a card has no real purpose in the grand scheme of things. Effects change to how poorly Konami manages the game or to keep certain effects from staying as is. After all, IRL and anime work on different principles so while a card may seem broken to us in real when we see it on the show, to the show itself it is not when they have a card pool that is constantly being developed.
 
Tiso said:
I am sorry, but I need to take a detour from the priority talk just to understand your reasoning behind this.



So you are saying, the TV show has no barring whatsoever on the OCG/TCG itself? Regardless of the fact that Konami uses the TV to market their cards that are soon to be released in that format or the fact they show off upcoming cards in their Card Showcase at the end of each episode now. But clearly, it is just an episode and everything in it is fiction. So when we first were introduced to Cyber Dragon in episode 8, that was fiction because as far as the OCG/TCG is concerned Cyber Dragon was the wrong name and was the wrong effect since as you said, the episode is just fiction. Sorry, but you are wrong and I refuse to go any further into this matter. Konami views the Japanese market 1st (OCG) with the English market (TCG) as 2nd. What happens in the episodes of a show that is meant to market the card game Konami owns has a definite impact on what goes on in the game, name of the cards, what cards are going to be released, and so on.
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First of all, part of your trouble of understanding is because you're making a false dilemna:

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/false-dilemma.html

You're assuming that something has to be wrong or else it has to be correct. And this is a major error in reasoning.

You're assuming that either the TCG or the OCG has to get the original names, and since you're certain the TCG shouldn't be priveledged to the original names, you say it must be the OCG. (Note it is the underlined part where your mistake is.)

You're assuming that the anime is always connected to the game or else it is not connected to the game And since you have evidence of it being connected to the game (with your comments about marketing, and the cyber dragon example.) you say that it would be wrong to say that the anime is not connected to the game. (Once again your mistake is in the underlined part... your arguments about cyber dragon and marketing are not wrong, but rather they are irrelevant because of the previous mistake)

Like i said in the previous both. The show is neither wrong nor correct.

Jsut because it turns out that Cyber Dragon would be correct it has absolutely no relevance on the other cards. You have absolutely no way of knowing. And you shouldn't try painting the whole show with the same brush:
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/hasty-generalization.html

Some cards might have accurate names as pronounced in english, others won't.

Yes, there are some instances when the show would be accurate, and other where it wouldn't.

Youjsut have absolutely no way of knowing which is which. You have absolutely no way of knowing what names are the original name and which are not.

BTW, The TCG market is much larger than the OCG market. Sheiusha is concerned with selling its magazines as its priority.
 
krazykidpsx said:
doenst Shueisha already sell V-Jump magazine which is the leading distributor of Yugioh R promotional Cards?
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Well that is like a totally different thing, but yeah Shueisha has their stake in YGO cards. This is why certain cards take longer if ever to come here because Konami does not actually print them but Shueisha or something like that.
 
Well since I got this priority cleared, another question comes to mind. I was going to a card Misawa used as an example, but since it is not out I decided not.

I summon Mobius the Frost Monarch. Say for example I have Catapult Turtle on the field. When do I get my priority and when does my opponent respond?
 
Read it was optional while in the WC2006 game.

Jedi, as for the other stuff. I already stated my stance on it. I am sorry, but when a company produces a cartoon about a card game they are marketing that originates from Japan where the game comes from I will not see otherwise how card names, effects, and so on are not factored into the OCG. I could see this logic from a translating standpoint when it comes to 4Kids and the TCG, but this the OCG. This is Japan, where the show is created from the ground up with Konami's input on the cards, names, effects, etc in order to propel the story and duels in order to sell the very cards that will probably have slightly different effects and artwork shown. I cannot see how the name is going to change from what Japanese viewers see on their TV to what the card is going to called come the time it comes out for them. So unless you can produce a instance in where on the Japanese TV a card was called one thing, but when it came out it was called another I really would like this off topic to finalized and over with.
 
Your choice on what you want to beleive. The point, though, isn't whether it has happened or whether it could happen. The point is the unreliabilty of depending on it. The cartoon isn't an acuurate source of information whether it be names, effetcs, rules or rulings. It's a marketing tool that is subject to the winds of change and creative license.
 
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