A "why?" rulings question ("Wave Motion Cannon")

O

Oceanus

New Member
A "Wave Motion Cannon" is activated and sets on the field for turns. Now the owner decides to activate its effect, sending it to the graveyard. It would be put onto the chain as Chain Link 1. NOW, simply, why can the opponent not chain "Barrel Behind the Door" as the ruling states?

"¢ You cannot activate "Barrel Behind the Door" against a Continuous Spell or Trap Card, an Equip Spell Card, or a Field Spell Card. So you cannot activate it against "Magical Thorn", "Dark Snake Syndrome", "Wave-Motion Cannon", or "Black Pendant".
 
Sort by date Sort by votes
Are we going to have another run-around with the word "activated" again?

Being a Counter-Trap, Barrel Behind the Door has to be chained to a card effect that when initially activated is guarenteed to cause damage. Continuous Spell/Trap cards do not inflict damage at this time of initial activation. That is why. Don't get tied down with the fact that we use activated rather liberally. After all, I can "activate" Ultimate Offering (to flip it up) and I can "activate" it while face up to summon a monster but there's only 1 point where I could use Seven Tools of the Bandit. Activating the effect of a face up continuous card is not the same as activating the card itself initially. Counter Traps will always look at the "initially" part (and don't mention Negate Attack, that's in its own class).
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
So "Divine Wrath" can't be used against "Demise, King of Armaggedon"? I bring that up, because wrath is chained to an effect, not the card activation. Doesn't "Barrel Behind the Door" as well?
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
Oceanus said:
So "Divine Wrath" can't be used against "Demise, King of Armaggedon"? I bring that up, because wrath is chained to an effect, not the card activation. Doesn't "Barrel Behind the Door" as well?
Click to expand...
The Ball is flying out to left field, and you're going to right....

This isnt as hard as you make it out to be.

Demise, King of Armageddon isnt a "Continuous Effect". His effect is a Ignition Effect, which can ONLY be activated in a Main Phase 1 or 2 of the controllers turn. This means it is a "Optional Effect" which can be chained to by Divine Wrath, and Divine Wrath negates Monster Effects. It has nothing to do with him being face-up on the field for x amount of turns.

Barrel Behind the Door can be chained to Triggered Effects like Lava Golem, since it is a effect that "activates" during the Standby Phase of the controller. You cannot activate Barrel Behind the Door against Ectoplasmer because it is a Continuous Spell Card and the effect does not have a "activation" to chain to.
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
masterwoo0 said:
You cannot activate Barrel Behind the Door against Ectoplasmer because it is a Continuous Spell Card and the effect does not have a "activation" to chain to.
Click to expand...
On this I beg to differ.
UDE FAQ said:
You can chain "Mystical Space Typhoon" or "Raigeki Break" to "Ectoplasmer"'s effect, and if there is no "Ectoplasmer" on the field, then its effect is not applied.
Click to expand...
The effect of "Ectoplasmer" is definitely a chainable event, as is the effect of "Wave-Motion Cannon".

http://lists.upperdeck.com/read/messages?id=4637#4637

The reasoning behind this, once again is simply because that's the way Konami wants the cards to work.
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
I thought we were only talking about Damage. Its no different than chaining Mystical Space Typhoon to sending Wave-Motion Cannon.

You are activating the card Ectoplasmer when you use its effect.
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
It's easy to see where some of the confusion lies. I mean, on the one hand you have this reason:
"¢ You cannot use "Barrel Behind the Door" against the damage from "Falling Down" because you cannot use "Barrel Behind the Door" against a Continuous or Equip Spell Card.

And then you have this:
"¢ If "Bad Reaction to Simochi" is active, you can activate "Barrel Behind the Door" against effects that would normally cause a Life Point increase, because they inflict damage instead.

At first gloss, this is confusing. It might be better if the first one read: "Continuous Effects" rather than Contimuous Cards.
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
Well, the reason I brought up divine is not because of whatever effect its negated, but its similarity to barrel. The rule for "Barrel Behind the Door" says it cannot be used against continuous' such as WMC, even though a certain amount of damage will be applied, an an effect chainable to, etc. at which point seems ideal to chain it.

This is not the case however, as it says it has to be used on effects activated when the card is activated kind of ordeal. That would suggest however, that if you could not chain "Divine Wrath" to a monster's effect that activates at any time other than the monster's activation, if they were trying to be consistent with their rules.

However, I'm content if they want to just make that how barrel works. The most difficult part of yugioh & judging is remembering the random rules like that, but it must be done. However, it WILL bring up questions of relativity with effects that aren't ruled as consistent.
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top