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But do you PICK the monster, or pay the 800 LP first? (it probably doesn't matter...is there a rule about this? I know the card game M:tG has it so you pick target, then pay any costs)
 
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It depends on the card.

With "Premature Burial" you pay the 800 and Target the creature you are wanting to special summon at the same time.

Your opponent then can chain if he wishes
 
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densetsu_x said:
It depends on the card.

With "Premature Burial" you pay the 800 and Target the creature you are wanting to special summon at the same time.

Your opponent then can chain if he wishes
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It depends on the card...are any different from P.Burial (simultaneous)?
 
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The wording on the card leads me to believe that the cost and targeting is seperate.

Premature Burial
Pay 800 Life Points. Select 1 Monster Card from your Graveyard, Special Summon it on the field in face-up Attack Position, and equip it with this card. When this card is destroyed, the monster is also destroyed.

There is a period after the pay 800 life points which makes me think you pay first then target a monster in the graveyard.  Most if not all cost effect cards look like this. If you look at the second sentence it it seperated with comas. That effect happens all at one time.
 
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Well, when you activate a card you have to see if it is a targeting effect or a non-targeting effect. That essentially is the difference. If it is targeting, you pick the target when you activate.

Now, if a card has a cost like paying life points or discarding a card, that is also done when you activate the card.

Once a card is activated, the opponent can decide to do something. It really is an apples and oranges sort of thing but costs are payed when you activate the card and targets are chosen at that time as well. After that you just need to know which cards have costs and which ones target.

- A
 
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Another example is Tribe-Infecting Virus.  You discard a card and then call the type.  "The Creator" is an example of a card that pays the cost (although its technically not a cost) after the card has been targeted.
 
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blade146 said:
The wording on the card leads me to believe that the cost and targeting is seperate.

Premature Burial
Pay 800 Life Points. Select 1 Monster Card from your Graveyard, Special Summon it on the field in face-up Attack Position, and equip it with this card. When this card is destroyed, the monster is also destroyed.

There is a period after the pay 800 life points which makes me think you pay first then target a monster in the graveyard. Most if not all cost effect cards look like this. If you look at the second sentence it it seperated with comas. That effect happens all at one time.
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While technically they are 2 "different" things, if a card has a targeting effect you choose that target when you activate the card along with paying the costs (if any). It's not so much a timing issue only because the opponent can only respond after activation (and do all of the above).
 
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So, when I sacrifice Cannon Soldier for its own effect, it is a legal target because I chose it while it was still on the field...but that would mean I targeted it (with its own effect) *before* I paid cost. Right?

OK, ignore this, it's really strange...with Cannon Soldier you do have to pick target before sacrificing said target as a cost.
 
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Cannon Soliders effect is all one sentence so both the cost and targeting happens at the same time. This is usually what happens but I was just stating in my previous post about premature burial what effect happen first.
 
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The subject of weather an effect targets at activation or resolution is a sticky one in my eyes. There really isn't a good definative wording that tells you which it is on any card.

An example of a card with a cost that selects at resolution is Magical Scientist

An example of a card without a cost that selects at resolution is Creature Swap

This is an area I feel could be much better defined with wording and is often misunderstood because of a lack of definative wording. Konami likes the exact same wording on all cards that are printed regardless of what lauguage.....hopefully they'll figure out a way of making it clear.
 
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John Danker said:
An example of a card with a cost that selects at resolution is Magical Scientist
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Actually, according to Curtis, the most recent ruling on this is that you select the target during activation (he even addressed this on the mailing list since he said originally you pick the monster at resolution but later said you pick the monster during activation and to go by the most recent ruling [the activation]).

- Andrew
 
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masterwoo0 said:
Another example is Tribe-Infecting Virus. You discard a card and then call the type. "The Creator" is an example of a card that pays the cost (although its technically not a cost) after the card has been targeted.
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I believe you name a type first then your opponent can chain and so forth then they discard. Creator being the same where you target a monster then you discard. Being Divine Wrath(Obviously my favorite example) is activated when your opponent chooses a type or targets a monster in the graveyard before discarding takes place.
 
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Actually, according to Curtis, the most recent ruling on this is that you select the target during activation (he even addressed this on the mailing list since he said originally you pick the monster at resolution but later said you pick the monster during activation and to go by the most recent ruling [the activation]).

- Andrew

Could you possibly give me the link to Curtis's post concerning this? I'm afraid I must confess on this one that my information was second hand from another L3 judge and not read personally. I didn't see this post from Curtis on the new judge's list....I'd really appreciate it so I don't have to search all over!
 
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Frig...

You're right... "Resolution".

In the original post I saw... Curtis gave the standard "non-answer" to the question and the way the guy wrote the original question, it made it look like the most recent answer was during the "activation". So I dug through the entire mailing list and yes the more recent of the 2 posts that was indeed this:

Can you use the effect of "Ryu Senshi" on a Continuos Trap card,
even though it will virtually do nothing?

Also, do you declare which monster you are choosing upon activation
or resolution of "Magical Scientist's" effect?

Answer:

1. Normal Traps only.

2. Resolution.

So... Resolution it is. There has been nothing newer than this (Aug 2004) to contradict this ruling.

Looks like I learned something new as well...

- A
 
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