Am I the only one??

[slither]

Am I the only one that thinks that this particular ruling is a bit out of wack:

Axe of Despair

Increase the ATK of a monster equipped with this card by 1000 points. When this card is sent from the field to the Graveyard, if you Tribute 1 monster on your side of the field, this card returns to the top of your Deck.

Woodland Sprite

Send 1 Equip Card equipped to this card to the Graveyard. Inflict 500 points of damage to your opponent's Life Points.

Now check out the ruling between this two cards:

Ruling

An Equip Spell Card sent to the Graveyard by this card's effect is not "destroyed". So the effects of "Butterfly Dagger - Elma", "Axe of Despair", "Malevolent Nuzzler", "Blast with Chain", or "Smoke Grenade of the Thief" cannot or will not be activated.

I don't see Axe of Despair's text mention anything about needed to be destroyed in order to trigger its effect. Now curiously enough there is no restriction to Emergency Provisions in this particular case, and even more oddly cards with similar texts like:

Sangan

When this card is sent from the field to the Graveyard, select 1 monster with an ATK of 1500 or less from your Deck, show it to your opponent, and add it to your hand. Then shuffle your Deck.

do activate by ANY means that this card is sent to the grave...

Am I missing something here :icon_conf, any thoughts about this?.

 

[Raijinili]

Right ruling, wrong Reasoning.

Axe of Despair is an optional effect, so it doesn't get a chance to activate its effect.

 

[slither]

Yes, im aware of Axe of Despair's effect being optional, im just pointing out the Reasoning behind the ruling, the:

is not "destroyed".

part of the ruling, seems a little bit out of line.

 

[novastar]

Send it to the board, they will probably address this one.

 

[Tiso]

Could you give us better things to go by? I really have no clue what you were trying to point out, let alone the cards you were talking about except for Black Pendant, Axe of Despair, Gearfried the Iron Knight and Sangan.

 

[novastar]

He is saying that because the ruling states that Woodland Sprite doesn't "destroy" Axe of Despair, and AoD's text does not say that it has to be "destroyed" to trigger the effect.

In the end, Konami/UDE are providing the wrong explanation for "why" AoD is not triggering from Woodland Sprite.

 

[mikoal]

theres prob someone out there that knows this, but from the start of the game, i remmeber reading that when things are sent to the graveyard from the feild that meant it was destroyed, i think i read that in the ygo manual, then they later changed it.......so yea....food for thought

 

[Absird]

Axe of Despair would miss the timing. After it is sent to the graveyard Woodland Sprite deals 500 damage to your opponant

 

[krazykidpsx]

you have to look at the rulings for "missing the timing"

its not becuase Axe of Despair didnt get destroyed, its becuase by the time its effect would have tried to activate something else took its place. That beign the 500 damage from Woodland Sprite.

 

[slither]

, no, no, seems novastar did understood what I was trying to say. My only concern is the incorrect statement of the ruling, the FAQ, places Axe of Despair and Woodland Sprite's sending to the grave, a cause for Axe of Despair's effect not to trigger due to it NOT being destroyed.

I'm just implying that this statement is incorrect, they should review it and explain the real motive for AoD's effect to miss it's timing, and not declare that it doesn't get it because it did not get destroyed.

I was just sharing my incomformity with this statement , but what novastar suggested might be the best thing to do.

 

[masterwoo0]

Well, isnt it just because Axe of Despair isnt the last thing to resolve, just as someone already stated?

It's not a Mandatory Effect, so you cant activate it after you inflict 500 damage to your opponent, can you cant activate the effect in the middle of Woodland Sprite's effect.

Besides, I think that may be a erroneous ruling that included Axe of depair with Woodland Sprite. It doesnt need to be destroyed, just sent.

 

[skey23]

Ok, just to make sure everybody understands the sole purpose of this thread..lol.

Slither was merely pointing out the ruling inconsistency with the wording and Reasoning for "Woodland Sprite" and "Axe of Despair".

The "Axe of Despair" doesn't need to be destroyed for it's effect to activate. It merely needs to be sent from the field to the Graveyard.

The ruling in question clearly states that "Axe of Despair" won't get it's effect when sent to the Graveyard by "Woodland Sprite"s effect because it was not destroyed. It does not mention timing issues at all.

That's all he was pointing out.

 

[krazykidpsx]

then all he has to do is post it up on the judges list so they can change the statement to read.

"Axe of Despair" will miss its timing if send from the field to the graveyard through "Woodland Sprites" effect.

thats all. its another one of thouse Exiled Force rulings.

 

[slither]

, thanks skey...

krazykidpsx, yup i'll do that, I just wanted to know what you guys thought about that

 

[masterwoo0]

The ruling in question clearly states that "Axe of Despair" won't get it's effect when sent to the Graveyard by "Woodland Sprite"s effect because it was not destroyed. It does not mention timing issues at all.

That's all he was pointing out.

All I was trying to say is, sometimes when you are doing things and not paying attention, you end up putting the right statement with the wrong thing.

It could just be a simple matter of them really meaning for it to be Butterfly Dagger - Elma instead, and did a poor job with a "cut and paste" statement, and since Axe of Despair was going to be in there somewhere anyway, it was never corrected to reflect that Axe of Despair does not get the effect, and the real reason why.

 

[anthonyj]

And simple errors like this when not corrected have the possibility of blossoming into much bigger problems (ie. Exiled Force vs. The End of Anubis). Hopefully they will fix it but I wouldn't hold my breath.