Best of three wins?

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I had an incident with a player defending another after tournament play.  Each player won one duel each, and the third was a draw.  I did the coin flip on it to reslolve.  The defending player stated that a fourth duel should have had been played to resolve this, and this was the way it was done at regionals.  I would like some input on this please, I know what the books say but they didn't cover a fourth duel.
 
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Actually, the tournament Policy guide does cover this. The 4th round is a sudden death round. At the end of each turn, check both player's life points. If they are the same, the next player has his turn. Otherwise, the player with the most life points wins the Match.

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In addition if the last match was a draw the option of who would go first again goes to the person who lost the last match.....in other words the person who had the option in the game that was the third duel, the draw.
 
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Heck Poison is perfect. PIck your "poison" so to speak to win sudden death. Inflict damage risking a barrel or pikeru's circle or just add to your own and end your turn.
 
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John Danker said:
In addition if the last match was a draw the option of who would go first again goes to the person who lost the last match.....in other words the person who had the option in the game that was the third duel, the draw.
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Hmm. I've always been told after a Draw round, both people re-roll, re-flip, or whatever they did to determine who went first. So if Round 3 was a Draw then they both say rolled a dice again to see who went first in Round 4. (Now, if the match order went Draw, Win, Lose or something like that, then the player who lost round 3 automatically gets the choice to go first for Round 4)

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That makes sense just like a true "sudden death" in any sport. Redo the coin flip, etc. to determine who goes first that way there's an equal chance.
 
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densetsu_x said:
Hmm. I've always been told after a Draw round, both people re-roll, re-flip, or whatever they did to determine who went first. So if Round 3 was a Draw then they both say rolled a dice again to see who went first in Round 4. (Now, if the match order went Draw, Win, Lose or something like that, then the player who lost round 3 automatically gets the choice to go first for Round 4)
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Good information. Gotta take some notes.

densetsu_x said:
Actually, the tournament Policy guide does cover this. The 4th round is a sudden death round. At the end of each turn, check both player's life points. If they are the same, the next player has his turn. Otherwise, the player with the most life points wins the Match.
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Well. I don't agree with the bold part. The policy says that "the match winner will be determined by
the first change in life points." In a turn, there could be a lot of changes in life points. I think that there is no need to wait until the end of turn to decide who will be the winner. Well, I see it this way.
 
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Hmm. Apparently the Policy only covers resolving matches when time expires, in which case it says you take the first change in life points and then see who is ahead. It actually doesn't mention anything about how a 4th round is supposed to run, other than it must be played since a match can't end in a draw.

So technically then, if there's still time on the clock, Round 4 would be played the same as Rounds 1-3 and only then if time expires does it go to who had the most life points.

1 important thing though. I've found judges to have their own policy about how they determine 4th round matches and time expired matches. I would suggest if you are playing to ask them how they handle it first since they may not be following the "official" policy.

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I've read through the UDE policy pages. This it doesn't mention a 4th round. I understand how to resolve with points and if tied all the way around a coin flip. This is with all duels complete and resolved. Each with one win and the third both duelists zero'd in the third. As the points were zero I flipped the coin, not knowing about the 4th, which I did not see in writing yet.

Does a 4th occur? I understand first hit or first to increase would win if time was called and points were tied but zero is zero, both duelist staring at each other with saliva oozing from there mouths.

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Since the Policy pages say that a Match can't end in a draw and there's still time on the clock, a 4th round is played normally apparently. The loser of Round 3 get's to choose who goes first and if Round 3 was a Draw, re-roll or reflip to determine who goes first.

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A-10 End of Match Procedure
If both players have an equal number of game wins and are between games, then the next game should start and the match winner will be determined by the first change in life points.

Example: In a different match, time is called during game two. Abby won game one. Mark finishes his turn and manages to win game two. Abby and Mark are now tied, each having won a game. They start game three. Game three lasts until the first life point change. Eventually, Abby summons a Goblin Attack Force and attacks Mark, reducing his life points to 5700. Abby is now ahead on life points, so she is the winner of the game and subsequently the match.

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It wouldn't matter weather it was the 3rd, 4th, or 14th game. If the number of game wins are tied and the current duel ends in a draw or two players are in between duels each with one game win or no game wins.....the next duel starts and first change in life points settles the match.

As for the issue of who would have choice of going first in a game following a draw I've just posted a message on the judge's board. I don't see anything mentioned on the matter either.
 
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It's as I've written earlier...and was confirmed today on the judge's list. The post is as follows:

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I haven't seen it in the policy documents so lets clear the matter up. If the
last game was a draw will the choice of who goes first default to who had it
last or should another coin flip be performed?



Answer:

The player that decided who took first turn in the previous game would
again decide who takes the first turn.

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Curtis Schultz
Official UDE Netrep
 
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