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Player A has Gearfried the Iron Night and a face down trap card.
Player B has two monster Gemini Elf and Beserk Gorilla.
Player B Gemini Elf atttacks Gerafried.
Player A activated his face down blast with chains, overpowering Gearfried to 2300 Attack points, destroying the attacking Gemini Elf and then Beserk Gorilla is destroy by the second effect of blast with chains. Is this true?....or I just dream about it. By the way blast with chains was activate it during the damage step. hmmm.....
 
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masterwoo0 said:
I would think that whatever card tried to equip itself to Gearfried would not resolve properly because Gearfried would destroy it.
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"When an Equip Spell Card is equipped to this card, destroy the Equip Spell Card."

The term "is equipped" indicates to me that the Equip must resolve and attach to Gearfreid before he destroys it.

It works the same way as Thunder Nyan Nyan, Sprit Reaper, Berserk Gorilla etc.

The effect should be written:

"if an Equip Spell Card is equipped to this card, destroy the Equip Spell Card."

That sounds Continuous to me.
 
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masterwoo0 said:
I would think that whatever card tried to equip itself to Gearfried would not resolve properly because Gearfried would destroy it.
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It will, the Butterfly Dagger - Elma has been checked upon numerous amounts of time. When Gearfried does destroy Blast with Chain with it's effect, the effect of Blast with Chain will trigger.

Sorry, I didn't word this question better earlier.

I'm saying during the Damage Step, before the acual Damage Calculation, Blast with Chain is activated then resolved equipping itself to Gearfried. Ealier in this Thread.

novastar stated:
novastar said:
So in otherwords, Blast with Chain is destroyed instantly as soon as it equips, but its destruction effect does not activate until after DC during "Resolve Effects"
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novastar stated the effect doesn't take place until the "Resolve Effects" portion of the Damage Step.

I'm just saying why wouldn't Blast with Chain trigger the moment Blast with Chain was equipped to Gearfried during the damage step before damage calculation?
 
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that would not follow with the gearfried rulings. other wise the butterfly daggers gearfried combo would not work. I agree with the ruling that although gearfried's effect is continuous it is not applied during resolution of the " calculate dmage " step. and must be resolved after his attack has been boosted.

for example. gearfired is boosted. to 2300 neither player chooses to chain cards that modify atk and def. now calculate damage. destroy monsters based on damage calculation. resolve monster effects ( flip, continuos, trigger ) only gearfried has an effect in this scenario so gearfried's effect would be applied at this point. destroy BwC. now that all monster effects are resolved, resolve other card effects ( trap, spell, graveyard effects) blast with chain could be said to be a graveyard effect due to it must be destroyed for it's effect to activate.
if the scenario above is proven accurate great. but other wise
I think this is where the timing of the blast with chain second effect might be missed. it may never have the proper timing to resolve it's second effect.
EDIT-I type to slow someone beatme to a reply.

the reason it does not resolve is because no cards other than cards that specifically modify attack and defense can be activated during the damage step unless they are chained to destroy a card that specifically modifys attack and defence.
it if aint negatin or modifying the attack and def it cannot be activated at this point.
 
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Don't we all just /love/ the damage step lately? Oye...

I have no problem believing that Blast With Chain's destruction effect will go onto a whole new chain after damage calculation, that part seemed simple enough to see, to understand. The thing that bothers me, is that in effect, Blast With Chain is a quick-play equip card. It boosts attack and everything, but since it's destroyed as soon as Gearfried tries equipping it, would the 500 ATK boost really stay on him while finishing the damage step, or wouldn't it just disappear, since it's no longer equipped?
 
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CraniumX said:
Don't we all just /love/ the damage step lately? Oye...

I have no problem believing that Blast With Chain's destruction effect will go onto a whole new chain after damage calculation, that part seemed simple enough to see, to understand. The thing that bothers me, is that in effect, Blast With Chain is a quick-play equip card. It boosts attack and everything, but since it's destroyed as soon as Gearfried tries equipping it, would the 500 ATK boost really stay on him while finishing the damage step, or wouldn't it just disappear, since it's no longer equipped?
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My understanding is that it would be destroyed as soon as it equips which would be prior to determining the outcome... so once BwC is destroyed Gearfried looses the 500 ATK.
 
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That's what I was thinking, myself, however it seems most of the thread was treating it as that Gearfried would be powered up long enough to kill the Gemini Elf and not die himself, then afterwards be able to destroy another card with the effect, but in reality, Gearfried would die, his controller would take 100 LP damage, and then when the damage was resolved, the new chain with Blast With Chain's effect starts up immediately, so the Gearfried's controller would then choose a card to destroy, which in the situation mentioned earlier again, would be the still alive Gemini Elf, and the Berserk Gorilla, as well as any other card still on the field at the time.

I hope I explained that simple enough, as it seemed to me a lot of people in the thread were saying that Gemini Elf would die, their controller would take the leftover LP damage, Gearfried would still be alive, and then BwC's effect would trigger, allowing something else to be destroyed.
 
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According to the JERP, Blast With Chain's effect will not be able to activate if it's destroyed in the damage step (although you can activate the card itself).

It also listed some other scenarios: being destroyed by Cliff, and being destroyed by Trap Master during the Damage step.
 
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Raijinili said:
According to the JERP, Blast With Chain's effect will not be able to activate if it's destroyed in the damage step (although you can activate the card itself).

It also listed some other scenarios: being destroyed by Cliff, and being destroyed by Trap Master during the Damage step.
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This is pretty much what I meant by the card not resolving properly. Maybe I could have reworded it more appropriately, but I was in a hurry. I know that the Butterfly Dagger combo works, as I have been there, done that.
 
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masterwoo0 said:
This is pretty much what I meant by the card not resolving properly. Maybe I could have reworded it more appropriately, but I was in a hurry. I know that the Butterfly Dagger combo works, as I have been there, done that.
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The not what the ruling means.

There is no activation window for the Trigger to be placed in... so it is simply not activated.

This has nothing to do with cards not resolving properly.
 
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