book of moon vs: Exiled Force

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Javario

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Hello all,

Alright, to me it would seem common sense to say that if some one summons exiled force and I activate book of moon the effect of exiled force wouldn't go through.

Yet, I have found that through my own common sense there was actually an opposing force. Which I can understand I may not know of this rule. But, moderators or even people who may have gone through my situation.

If I book of moon exiled isn't his chance to use his effect gone? Since he is no longer face up....

-Javario
 
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well it all depends on priority if your opponent activated priority, and you chained with BOM the sacrifice has already been done so it`s effect won´t be negated. But if you asked if your opponent wanted to activate priority, and he said no then his effect could not be even applied.
Please confirm this answer or tell me why it is wrong.
 
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Javario said:
Hello all,

Alright, to me it would seem common sense to say that if some one summons exiled force and I activate book of moon the effect of exiled force wouldn't go through.

Yet, I have found that through my own common sense there was actually an opposing force. Which I can understand I may not know of this rule. But, moderators or even people who may have gone through my situation.

If I book of moon exiled isn't his chance to use his effect gone? Since he is no longer face up....

-Javario
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exiled force has a effect spell speed 1 "cost effect" ; it means that exiled force tribute itself to activate his effect

if player 1 summon a exiled force he will have the option to activate his effect before opponent has a chance to make a move-this is called priority

so 2 scenarios may happen

scenario 1 : player choose to activate the effect of "exiled force"

since "exiled force" tribute itself, there will not be a monster to be targeted by "book of the moon"

opponent may not activate BOM in this case; it is a "Kara uchi" or a illegal activation

scenario 2 : player choose not to activate the effect of "exiled force"

in this case, player pass his chance to activate "exiled force" effect

opponent now , may activate BOM

since "exiled force" effect is spell speed 1 , he cannot chain his effect to BOM

BOM will place "exiled force" face down as result


woltarr
 
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Greetings all,


  I have read alot about this priority thing and I would like to add something.  We has players/judges have to watch the wording or explaining of "Priority".  There isn't anything in any of the rule books that I have read, since I have been playing Yugioh, about activating "Priority" or the activation of Priority. It just is! Plain and simple. We as judges/players must remember that.  As we casual play, we just play not thinking about our phases or explain what we are doing, we all just do it. We should go back to basics.  "ANNOUNCE EACH PLAY". This ties along with the official rule book Pg. 5 ( Manners in Dueling)" Always declare each move in a loud, clear voice before you execute any play" so that way, we give player B the chance to respond. And if we forget to do that, that should be on us, not them. Wouldn't you all agree!!!!!!    Greg
 
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hmmm I understand that if you exile and I activate book of moon there is no target so the card is wasted. But, I would like to get the attention of a mod. No disrespect to the judges. It's just the chain of command. You see? my intake of your responses was "not" overlooked. It was only considered as a possibility. But, if I went on what everyone says I wouldn't have known that if tribe is bottomlessed he get's his effect out. I understand that priority can be very tricky. I will consider your answers but I want my answer to be official. So I can at least quote from netrep.
 
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How's it going,


From what I have noticed, this whole Priority thing, people are blowing it our of proportion. Priority is what you have, that's it. From my experience, there is very few, if at all, cards that can stop an activation of cost effects. Knowing that, then you much know what cards you have and how to use them. Once you have that straightened out, there is no question in your mind or anyone elses, on what your doing or how to play. If you have any questions, go straigt to Netrep, where you will find your answers. And if not, some here will guide you. Take care....Greg
 
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Greetings,

If I understand you, the forum is just for questions and answers. Netrep has the official rulings. Some of the individuals on this forum work with or mingle with the individuals that work with the Netrep website. So some of the answers are straight from the website so you don't have to look it up. But you should always look at the website, incase something was updated and that individual wasn't aware of it. Hope I wasn't confusing you....Greg
 
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chain of command?!?!?

dude, we all here spend enough time to know enough.

as greg has mentioned in this situation it calls out for Turn Player Priority. as bishop once states, "THERE IS NO MONSTER PIRORITY" I remember this, because i couldnt understand it the first time he stated it, but infact its true, monsters do not have priority, they have spell speed's.

so the one with priority is the player not the monster.

and like greg stated about Manners in dueling it is good to ask your opponent what he or she will do with their Exiled, CED, BLS, etc.. that may lead to them using their priority in activating an effect and making your move illegal.

exiled summons, you imideatly activate a card like BOM.

see the problem is, that you do not know what your opponent was infact thinking.

I have come to teach a few of my friends about this, so we dont get confused. this revolving the usage of Mobius the Frost monarch.

when it is summoned the opponent has to wait for the targets to be picked, then they can respond with what ever they want to respond. Since the targets arnt locked, they can even use the targets. (if possible atleast)

just like exiled force, The owner of Exiled force chooses if they want to summon and use the effect or just plain summon.

if they just plain summon, then get confirmation and then do what you want to do. since after this point they have given up their priority on that specific monster.

now if they summon and blow up, then you know you couldnt activate cards like BOok of moon or even Trap hole.

now if you want to trunade the field, then by all means go a head. but wouldnt that just lead to a bigger massacre that your opponent was thinking on doing anyways?

of course.

see common sence for us is that, if i know i have 3 monsters and 1 is going to die, why should i activate a card that will kill all monsters on the field. see knowing this i wouldnt and wait to see what the result would be.

if i lose 1 monster then okay, its just 1 monster, but now if i clean the field on MP1 of My opponents turn, then that leads to possibilities of me getting screwed. cause i just did a favor for them not for me.

so like greg stated, use the manners of dueling part of your book and "ask and tell".

ask - Your opponent what they will like to do with their monsters.
Tell - Your opponent what you will like to do with your monsters or the field period.
 
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it doesnt matter weither they use priority or just plain use exiled effect during their turn, book of moon will never stop it. because as soon as they say "i activate exiled force to.." its to late because exiled has left the field immidiatly because thats his costs, and costs are effective imidiatly.

thus...
chainlink 1: exiled
chain link 2:book

chainlink 2: book tries to hit but..wait..exiled aint there? you couldnt activate book in the first place! back in hand or fizzle <fizzle incase u tried to stop a priority exiled>
chainlink 1: exiled is long gone, his effect blows somebody up.
 
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magic-snake said:
it doesnt matter weither they use priority or just plain use exiled effect during their turn, book of moon will never stop it. because as soon as they say "i activate exiled force to.." its to late because exiled has left the field immidiatly because thats his costs, and costs are effective imidiatly.

thus...
chainlink 1: exiled
chain link 2:book

chainlink 2: book tries to hit but..wait..exiled aint there? you couldnt activate book in the first place! back in hand or fizzle <fizzle incase u tried to stop a priority exiled>
chainlink 1: exiled is long gone, his effect blows somebody up.
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errr you cannot activate "book of the moon" when oponent decide to activate the efct of "exilled force"

it is a "kara uchi"

just read my previous post in this tread

woltarr
 
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Yes he can activate "Book of Moon" in response to the activation of "Exiled Force"'s effect. He just can't *target* "Exiled Force" with "Book of Moon". "Book of Moon" would just need to be used on any other face-up creature.

- Andrew
 
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And if he activated it with the intention of targetting "Exiled Force" but and there wasn't a monster to target, "Book of Moon" is placed back face-down as it is an illegal activation.
 
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densetsu_x said:
Yes he can activate "Book of Moon" in response to the activation of "Exiled Force"'s effect. He just can't *target* "Exiled Force" with "Book of Moon". "Book of Moon" would just need to be used on any other face-up creature.

- Andrew
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the bold part of your post explain what i was trying to explain :D

woltarr
 
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Well, just wanted to make it clear that "Book of Moon" could still be activated, but that it would need to target something else. Technically if people played it right, it would look like this.

1) E-Force activates, and puts himself in the graveyard for the cost (so the card is no longer on the field) and targets an opponent's monster
2) "Book of Moon" is chained, targeting whatever is face up on the field.

So, there wouldn't be an "illegal" target unless they were trying to target a "Sheep Token" (but that's for another thread) or if everything was face down already or if "Light of Intervention" was active.

- Andrew
 
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anthonyj knows whats up.

Devine wrath, major used card.

but even like a staple i dont see it used in multiples.

it be too much of a waste, because there are things it cant stop.

but even like that, It can stop witch or sangan. freaken crazy.
 
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magic-snake said:
it doesnt matter weither they use priority or just plain use exiled effect during their turn, book of moon will never stop it. because as soon as they say "i activate exiled force to.." its to late because exiled has left the field immidiatly because thats his costs, and costs are effective imidiatly.

thus...
chainlink 1: exiled
chain link 2:book

chainlink 2: book tries to hit but..wait..exiled aint there? you couldnt activate book in the first place! back in hand or fizzle <fizzle incase u tried to stop a priority exiled>
chainlink 1: exiled is long gone, his effect blows somebody up.
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im sorry but you know what, it does matter.

becasue sometimes, it might not even be book of moon, but Torrential Tribute. so if you dont ask your opponent you dont know what your opponent might do. Heck it might not even be that it might be a normal trap hole just to kill exiled force and not worry about the effect later on through mp1.

If its about a card that requires a certain timing it is best to ask the opponent instead of letting it slide off. cause if you let it slide off then You miss your timing.

so it does have to do alot about priority.
 
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