Card effects and forgetting to use them

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GMonkey

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I have a question (it may have already been adressed). If a duelist forgets to use a cards effect, what occurs? IMO, too bad for you (or your opponent). I ask this because at a small event today, I was watching a match and the following occurred:

Duelist A has a face up Sangan and Blade Knight, both in attack position. Duelist A attacks duelist B and duelist B counters with Mirror Force. Both monsters go to the graveyard. Duelist A thought for a moment and was in the middle of saying "Your turn." when an observer said "Hey, you forgot Sangan's effect."

Now, if they were two kids around 6, I would have said something too, just so they know. But the two duelist are experienced. As a matter of fact, it was the final duel to see who would win the event. Duelist A had a brain fart. So, player b let player A get his monster, which helped him to win and tie the match 1-1. I stated to the observer that he shouldn't have said anything, and if you forget, oh well. "Sangan's effect is not an option." was his reply. I didn't want to argue with him so I let it lie. Duelist B ended up winning, but that's not the issue.

I just wanted to know what people here thought.
 
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While people on the outside shouldn't interfere with saying something about a match, in this case though, he was perfectly correct in that Sangan's effect is not optional. Had it been forgotten and noticed a turn or 2 later, the game state may not have possibly been able to be unwound which could have resulted in a warning or game loss automatically. For effects such as that, it is important that BOTH players keep an eye out for effects that must occur.

Now if the situation was something like Player A having "Amazoness Swords Woman" out on the field, and Player B summons "Summoned Skull" and attacks without knowing what her effect well in that case, tough luck on Player B.

This actually was similar to a question posed that got posted on the Judge list archives.
 
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its better that they interferred since you could have gotten a warning for passing to other turns.

also like D_X stated both players should be looking out for that.

i would have asked immedialty what they were to grab with Sangan.

but thats just me
 
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Again, spectators are just that and should say nothing. It's the players that need to be vigilant as far as manditory effects go. Now if it were an optional effect (I destroy my opponent's Mystic Tomato and he doesn't special summon a monster), I'm under no obligation to say anything in this case.
 
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I think that is what annoyed me most is this guy just sitting there and saying stuff under his breath and occasionaly saying something loud enough, like Sangan's effect. I agree that its up to the participants and not bystanders to say "Hey, you forgot to special summon your Vampire Lord."
 
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Spectators have certain responsibilities during a match and two of them are (taken from the current UDE Tourney Policy docs):

"¢ Notify a tournament official immediately if a player is observed failing to
follow any game rules or incorrectly tracking game score or life totals during a
match, regardless of whom the error benefits

"¢ Avoid talking to any players during a match or speaking loudly close to a
match

So the guy should have notified a judge instead of just blurting it out, but if it were a case like this and a judge were sitting right there (I'd assume one was close, this being the final match) I wouldn't have a big problem with him saying something.

Just my $.02 :)
 
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Unfortunately, this was not an "official" event. I was asked for rulings a few times regarding some cards, but there was not an official judge. Neither player said anything regarding the bystander, but I guess its all water under the bridge now. If I take my sons next week, I think I might print out all of the rulings, make a notebook, and perhaps volunteer to be an unofficial judge.
 
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At an event this weekend gone where I was spectating (junior was dueling this time) there were some misplays I noted:

1. Player A equipped his defence position spirit reaper with Rod of Silence then ended his turn. He was new, there was no judge around so I corrected him. It didn't feel good having to do it (tournament and all), but he had so clearly not read the card. His opponent was new and hadn't noticed either.

2. Player B flipped Cyber Jar and drew the 5 cards into his hand. I got a judge because sometimes you can just tell the people who aren't going to listen.

I agree that as a spectator we have to keep quiet and make no comment that may swing the game. For folks that are having trouble with basic game mechanics though ... if the opponents don't know what to do should the judges have time to help all the little kids and players having difficulties? Not really, judges are there to judge not train. Some may say that kids who can't play properly shouldn't enter, but they all play within their skill band, so no finalist will be affected by telling a kid he can't equip spirit reaper for example.
 
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