Coinflip/dice rol

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Vulcan Ruke

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A while a go i heard that the changed flipping a coin in roll a six-sided die.

I know that they used this ruling on the Farao Tour stop and Farao Tour Final (Holland) and they also used this ruling on Battle City Londen(UK)

But yesterday i mentioned this on a YGO forum and someone was offended by it. His reason? He could not find it in the offical rulings or errata's. He was not happy because this way non-offical rules can become offcial rules.

I hope that you can help me.

Vulcan Ruke
 
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I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you are asking or saying. All I can gather is that is has something to do with either rolling a dice, or flipping a coin, other than that, I'm completely lost.
 
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Well, I'm afraid there is no errata. Coin Flips and Dice Rolls have always been separate mechanics in the game of Yu-Gi-Oh!. I don't know what would lead them to believe that, especially since the these are odds based mechanics, each with differing stats on what you'll roll/flip.
 
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Afraid that's just not the case. Sure, there are ways to manipulate a coin flip, but it's not really effective enough to warrant such a dramatic change in mechanics. Even dice rolls can be manipulated. But truthfully, none of these effects are widely used enough to warrant issuing an errata. It simply never happened. Which is why you can't find any information about it.
 
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The best you can do in a situation like that is try to appeal to his sense of logic. There is no published information about coin flips begin changed to dice rolls on the Judges List or the FAQ, which would be the only places he could garner such information, and as such, couldn't bring it up on a computer if one was handy. If that doesnt work, all you can do is ride it out until such time that he can be corrected.

Head Judges make mistakes too, all the time. Nobody is perfect, so when something like this happens, the best you can hope for is that you or someone can take him aside and correct his understanding of the situation. Now if he continues to be stubborn about it, even in the face of the fact that published information like this doesn't exist, then you can, and are obliged, to report the situation to UDE. But if all it was, was a simple mistake, then unless he's just hard headed, he can be corrected and not make the same mistake next time.

Afraid there's nothing you can do about a past event. Like I said, mistakes happen. The best you can do is try to correct the information that led to the mistake.
 
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You know, I was looking though the Judges List, and I think this is where your Head Judge misunderstood. Note the text I bolded:

http://lists.upperdeck.com/read/messages?id=9033#9033
[Judge] Situations where player has to toss a coin for a card effect 2006-04-06 16:31:00 <Zvonko Ivic>

1) Is the effect of Blowback Dragon mandatory to use each turn since it doesn't says on the card "you can toss a coin", it only says "toss a coin"?

2) Does a Player have to throw a coin, or can he use a dice for example that has the same number of pair and odd number on it, and he says he is throwing for a pair of odd number, instead of throwing a coin for a head?

3) If Player B calls the judge after Player a threw a coin and got two heads, saying that he wants the opponent to re-throw the coin with some other coin, what should the judge do? Throw a coin couple of times for himself ensure that the coin isn't used to commit a fraud? This isn't very clever way to test the
coin, because I saw perfectly normal coin that fell on a same side 8 times in a row. Of maybe should the judge make the toss valid, and Player A could destroy opponent's card, but any further tosses of coin should be done with a diffrent
coin.


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Response:

1. The effect is not mandatory.

2. Players may use dice instead, as long as both players agree to the substitution.

3.
The coin toss should not be redone.

The Judge should give them another coin, a penny will work, to use instead.


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All that was being said here, is that you may substitute a a coin for a die, provided both player agree. This was not indicating a change of rules. Just a way to substitute something in the event a coin could not be used.
 
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Apparently there is something with a certain coin that allows you to flip Heads with a very high percentage. Somebody proved this at some point to a relatively high person overseas and some Head Judges have decided to not allow coins to be used anymore. Unfortunately, the Head Judge has the final say at the event, right or wrong, his word is final. So if he says no coins, then no coins will be allowed.

My suggestion would be to email UDE Europe about this issue and see what they say.
 
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I had a guy want to use his calculator to do all his flipping and rolling. I said no, it must be a manual toss. But I haven't had a problem with people wanting to substitute a die roll for a coin toss, if both parties agree (and they usually do) because coin tossing can get a little wild, and when you have a full table, there are a lot of things to interfere with the landing of the coin making "redo!" a common call with arguments over wheter or not it counts.
 
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I can understand if he's not allowing coins to be used. Based off this message, there is a legal substitution that can be made. What I don't particularly like is the message they send when they make a decision like this. There was no errata or rules change issued. And I think it's highly inappropriate, not to mention misleading, for a judge to insinuate that there was.
 
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Just to add some more info to this...

I have been informed by UDE that there has not been any policy change involving dice rolls replacing coin flips. So, anybody that tells you the policy has changed is mistaken.
 
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