cyber jar and hero kid?

[shadowdragon]

a quick question if i summon a hero kid by cyber jar, i would let cyber jar resolve then summon the other hero kid/s right, rather than summon when hero kid hits the feild, or would the effect diapate? since its not the next step in the chain?

 

[Jason_C]

*coughauto-linkcough*

Hero Kid

<EDIT: Having read the link, Barty is absolutely right. See the rulings for Dark Magician of Chaos>

 

[Barty64]

i'm not sure but i think Hero Kid's effect would not be actived due to the timing beening off.

 

[skey23]

How would the timing be off? The last thing to occur was a "Hero Kid" being Special Summoned to the field.

Yes, if "Cyber Jar" is flipped, and no other effects happen BEFORE "Cyber Jar" is flipped, and a "Hero Kid" is Special Summoned, the effect of the "Hero Kid" will be activated, and you can Special Summon up to 2 more "Hero Kids".

 

[Jason_C]

I could've SWORN the last event to occur was the adding cards to the hand.

 

[skey23]

They are considered simultaneous events. It's like "Book of Life" in that respect.

 

[Jason_C]

They are considered simultaneous events. It's like "Book of Life" in that respect.

>_>

<_<

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Source?

 

[Barty64]

how do you mean like Book of Life

 

[Jason_C]

how do you mean like Book of Life(yeah i'm right on a ruling for a change)

Exactly what he said. They're simultaneous effects, just like Book of Life's. And no, you're not right. I thought you were right, but it turned out that I was wrong, and he was right, so you were wrong. :dur_jedi:

 

[DaGuyWitBluGlasses]

Click for the source: Cyber Jar

"Torrential Tribute" can be used on monsters Summoned by "Cyber Jar" but not if "Cyber Jar" was flipped face-up in the Damage Step, since "Torrential Tribute" cannot be activated during the Damage Step

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[Jason_C]

Click for the source: Cyber Jar

"Torrential Tribute" can be used on monsters Summoned by "Cyber Jar" but not if "Cyber Jar" was flipped face-up in the Damage Step, since "Torrential Tribute" cannot be activated during the Damage Step

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*bows*

:yes_jedi:

 

[skey23]

There's a Judge's List post that says you can use "Torrential Tribute" after Special Summoning your Zombie from "Book of Life". I can't seem to find it right now...

[edit]But DaGuy's post works just as well!

 

[Barty64]

I would of thought that Hero Kids effect would not actived due to Cyber Jars effect needing to be resolved first.

 

[skey23]

We'll pretend "Cyber Jar" is being Flip Summoned for this demonstration....

P1 Flip Summons "Cyber Jar", activating it's effect.
P2 does not respond to this effect.
P1 does not respond to this effect.
Resolve "Cyber Jar"s effect.....
1. Destroy all monsters on the field and send them to the Graveyard.
2. P1 (Turn Player) picks up 5 cards, showing all to P2, and chooses orientation of valid monster cards to be Special Summoned. (one of these happens to be "Hero Kid", it's effect is triggered now.)
3. P2 picks up 5 cards, showing all to P1, and chooses orientation of valid monster cards to be Special Summoned.
4. All other cards picked up go to the hand of the respective player.
5. End Cyber Jar resolution.

Now even though 2, 3 and 4 'seem' to be resolving at different times, they are considered by the game to happen at the same time, so the last thing to happen is still the Special Summoning of a monster. Since "Hero Kid" was one of the monsters Special Summoned by this effect, it's effect will trigger, activate, and resolve w/o issue.

 

[Barty64]

i do understand it and if that is the oficial ruling of it then i will have to acepet it regardless of my understanding of the ruling of this situation(which seems to be wrong)

 

[skey23]

Look at it this way...

Summon "Marauding Captain" and use his effect to Special Summon "Hero Kid". Do you get the effect of "Hero Kid"?

Now, modify it slightly...

Flip-Summon "Cyber Jar" and use it's effect to Special Summon "Hero Kid". Do you get the effect of "Hero Kid"?


Hope this helps!

 

[Barty64]

i do get it i was wrong on this one!!!

 

[OKShadow]

But if you use the Cap to bring out the kiddos, be sure to have The A. Forces handy to support ol' Cap. (or United We Stand of course)

 

[shadowdragon]

But if you use the Cap to bring out the kiddos, be sure to have The A. Forces handy to support ol' Cap. (or United We Stand of course)

that and Ultimate Offering are the plan

thank you very much for the help guys

 

[slither]

that and Ultimate Offering are the plan

thank you very much for the help guys

Ultimate Offering won't work:

By paying 500 Life Points, Normal Summon or Set 1 extra monster. You can only activate this effect during your Main Phase or your opponent's Battle Phase

Hero Kid requires to be Special Summoned.