Dark Necrofear ruling

[StRiKe_NiNjA]

If the Special Summoning of "Dark Necrofear" is negated and "Dark Necrofear" is destroyed by the effect of "Solemn Judgment" or "Horn of Heaven", it will become an Equip Spell Card during the End Phase.

Ok, so I am having a little trouble with the ruling pasted above.

Is this ruling refering to to when Dark Necrofear is first being initially summoned? Or as it returns from the graveyard to become an Equip Spell? 2 reasons:

1. If the ruling is refering to Dark Necrofear being initally Special Summoned from the hand, how could it return if the Special Summon negated it in the first place?

2. If the ruling is refering to Dark Necrofear returning to the field to resolve as an Equip Spell, it makes 0 sense, as you cannot chain to it, because this isn't a Special Summon. Not only that if it's considered a "Special Summon" this way, you cannot cut in with an effect during the resolution of Dark Necrofear with a Counter Trap card like Solemn Judgment anyway.


Have I missed something here?

 

[novastar]

Is this ruling refering to to when Dark Necrofear is first being initially summoned? Or as it returns from the graveyard to become an Equip Spell? 2 reasons:

It is refering to the Special Summon from Hand.

As a hint, remember Horn of Heaven can only be used on a Special Summon, so you could not use it on the equipping effect.

1. If the ruling is refering to Dark Necrofear being initally Special Summoned from the hand, how could it return if the Special Summon negated it in the first place?

Dark Necrofear does not have to be a "monster" face-up on the field for the effect to Trigger. It can be destroyed anywhere in the Deck, Hand or Field, as the effect only requires the "card" to be destroyed.

 

[StRiKe_NiNjA]

Dark Necrofear does not have to be a "monster" face-up on the field for the effect to Trigger. It can be destroyed anywhere in the Deck, Hand or Field, as the effect only requires the "card" to be destroyed.

So it doesn't have to be summoned first the way it is printed in order to achieve it's effect?

I can't think of any cards right now that would destroy Dark Necrofear while in the deck, so just follow along.

If Needle Worm effect stated, "Destroy the 5 top cards on your opponent's deck and send them to the graveyard" is enough to fullfill Dark Necrofear's effect to return as an Equip Spell?

Sorry if that made-up Needle Worm effect made 0 sense haha, but it was all I could think of.

 

[novastar]

Chain Destruction and (eventually) The Crush Card (brother to DDV) will achieve this.

This applies to V-Lord and Phoenix as well.

 

[densetsu_x]

One other thing to add.

Even though "Dark Necrofear" will get her effect if she is destroyed by "Solemn Judgment or "Horn of Heaven", she will not be considered "Properly Summoned" so once she is destroyed as an equip, she will not be rebornable. You'd have to get her back to your hand and summon her again by removing 3 fiends if you want to get her to the field again.

 

[Blue-Eyes Black]

Dark Necrofear does not have to be a "monster" face-up on the field for the effect to Trigger. It can be destroyed anywhere in the Deck, Hand or Field, as the effect only requires the "card" to be destroyed.

You're half-right. If she comes back as an Equip Card and is destroyed there, she won't get here effect. That's thanks to an errata from http://www.upperdeckentertainment.com/yugioh/en/faq_errata_01.aspx (bolded and italicized emphases in the effect were added in by me):

Dark Necrofear
(Labyrinth of Nightmare, Duelist League 2)
This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card can only be Special Summoned by removing from play 3 Fiend-Type monsters in your Graveyard. If this card is destroyed as a result of battle or by your opponent's card effect while it is a Monster Card, it is treated as an Equip Card during the End Phase of this turn, and equip 1 of your opponent's monsters with this card. As long as it is equipped with this card, you control the equipped monster.

This puts the effect right in line with the Japanese wording of the effect. In Japan, she's always had to be a Monster Card in order to come back as an Equip Card.

 

[novastar]

I am full-right, that is a special ruling (that turning into card text) created to avoid a loop. The actual way the card is supposed to work is as i outlined. The Japanese wording does not state "Monster Card" it states card as well, it is just a ruling.

 

[densetsu_x]

Actually, for the longest time the ruling was different in that while the card had to be destroyed if it were an equip card at the time, Dark Necrofear would not get it's effect in Japan, while the ruling had that it would here. Since the errata, the rule has been consistant on both sides. Yes it can be destroyed in hand or on the field (or deck) but if it's an equip card and destroyed (say with MST), it will not come back.

 

[Raijinili]

While in/going to the deck or hand, cards default to the type on their card. Just to note.

The ruling, and its corresponding ruling about "Once-Per-Turn", was because of the Gearfried loop possible. Novastar is correct in that it was a special ruling, but it's still the ruling.

 

[duelists101]

....Huh? So your saying that if Dark Necrofear is destroyed while in my hand or deck she comes back at the end of that turn? For real!!! Woot!! I thought it was only field...hmmm....but delinquent discards not destroys right.. So what destroys cards in hand?

 

[densetsu_x]

Chain Destruction, Deck Devastation Virus, the Crush Card (not yet in the US), Chain Disappearance (though that removes them from play) to name a few