DMOC vs. Crystal Beasts?

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John Danker

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The title pretty well sums it up. If DMOC destroys a Crystal Beast in battle will Crystal Beast be able to place itself in the S/T zone before DMOC removes it from play? Your reasoning behind your ruling?
 
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Dark Magician of Chaos
Effect Monster (Spellcaster / DARK / 8 Stars / ATK 2800 / DEF 2600)

When this card is Normal Summoned or Special Summoned, you can add 1 Spell Card from your Graveyard to your hand. A monster that is destroyed by this monster as a result of battle is removed from play instead of going to the Graveyard. If this face-up card is destroyed or removed from the field, it is removed from play.

It would be like Bottomless Trap Hole. It was never going to the Graveyard upon destruction, hence, you don't have the option to put it in the S/T zone.
 
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I see that point densetsu_x, however, let's take a look at the Crystal Beast rulings as well..

CRYSTAL BEAST TOPAZ TIGER
You choose whether or not to use the "Crystal Beast" effect at the time the destroyed monster would be sent to the Graveyard.

My ramblings here are just that, ramblings mind you...but it would appear to me that the Crystal Beast would need to be "on it's way" to the graveyard for DMOC's effect to send it out of play...look at DMOC's effect again...

When this card is Normal Summoned or Special Summoned, you can add 1 Spell Card from your Graveyard to your hand. A monster that is destroyed by this monster as a result of battle is removed from play instead of going to the Graveyard. If this face-up card is destroyed or removed from the field, it is removed from play.

Do you see where I'm going with this?
 
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I see where you're coming from, John. Cards default to going to the Graveyard, and you're saying other card effects "intercept" them and send them to the Different Dimension instead. In this sense, every card always goes to the Graveyard, but that isn't necessarily where they end up.

This thinking is wrong, I'm afraid. Effects that remove cards from play don't "intercept and divert"; they redefine the entire journey the card takes from the field to its resting place (the Different Dimension). Cards that are removed from play are NEVER going to the Graveyard, not for the slightest moment.

The emboldened part of Dark Magician of Chaos's text that you mentioned is actually unnecessary. We know cards default to going to the Graveyard, and we know card texts overrule any game mechanics like that where appropriate. I think that emboldened text is only there to make it clear that it overrules the game mechanic instead of being a triggered effect (or something silly like that).

John Danker said:
When this card is Normal Summoned or Special Summoned, you can add 1 Spell Card from your Graveyard to your hand. A monster that is destroyed by this monster as a result of battle is removed from play instead of going to the Graveyard. If this face-up card is destroyed or removed from the field, it is removed from play.
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I don't see it as the same thing as an active Macro Cosmos / Banisher of the Light. Those are continuous effects that's redirecting where the monster goes. DMoC's effect is actually a triggered effect that sees if it destroyed a monster as a result of battle. If so, then remove it from play. It is more like Bottomless Trap Hole in that regard in that the monster was never heading to the Graveyard.
 
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