Exarion Universe what kind of Effect?

[-Xe0-]

Hi guys,
first of all i like to say i hit the search-button and found this nice threat:
http://www.cogonline.net/threads.11891&page=1
There is a question about the kind of effect that exarion has and its ends up in a declaration to an Ignition-Effect. I got some question about this:
1. Isn´t an Ignition-Effect limited to be activated in the Turn-Players MainPhases? (Ignition = SpellSpeed 1)
2. Who gets priority after the declaration of an attack? (If the nTP got priority and he activates some SpellSpeed 2 card, the TP isn´t able to use Exarions Effect i think!)
3. Have you find a logical answer to the question if Exarion´s Effect may only be used in his battle step?

Thats it for now. Thx for reply
greetz
Xe0

 

[masterwoo0]

1. Isn´t an Ignition-Effect limited to be activated in the Turn-Players MainPhases? (Ignition = SpellSpeed 1)

If you would say that, then what is BLS when he destroys a Monster?

He completes the requirement to attack again, but you still have to choose to activate the effect in the Battle Phase.

 

[-Xe0-]

The second attack of BLS is an optional Triggereffect i though. Its also SpellSpeed 1 but a Triggereffect
My opinion is, that Exarion´s Effect is a Multi-Trigger-Effect that can be chained.
For example:
Player A enter his BattlePhase he declares an attack with Exarion on Player B´s Scapegoat hoping he could trample. No Player B activates Magic Cylinder. So is Player A able to chain Exarion´s Effect to loose less LifePoints? ... Or got Player A priority to use Exarion´s Effect before Player B could even activate Magic Cylinder?
greetz
Xe0

 

[DaGuyWitBluGlasses]

If it doesn't say when it can be activated, an ignition effect is activated in either Main Phase of your turn, but there are other ignition effects that can be activated at other times when they specifically say so (and only at that other time) These include:

Standby Phase:
Sinister Serpent
Ultimate Insect LV1 / 3 / 5
Dark Mimic LV1

Battle Step:
Spirit Ryu
Exarion Universe

End Phase:
Horus the Black Flame Dragon LV4 / 6
Mystic Swordsman LV2 / 4

Also there are some ignition effect that can be activated only in Main Phase 1. And other only in Main Phase 2.

The turn player should have priority to respond to an Attack, and can activate Exarion Universe's effect immediately, but not that it matters:

CHain Link 1 Exarion Universe
Chain Link 2 Magic Cylinder

Resolve in reverse order:
Magic Cylinder > Exarion

Magic Cylinder inflicts (1800) damage to the controller of Exarion,
Exarion Universe then reduces its ATK by 400.

 

[-Xe0-]

Oh thats new to me. All the effects you listet up are optional Triggereffects to me, like a Mystic Tomato and so on. I never heard the frase IgnitionEffect for this kind before. (Got anything offical about this?)

Going straight forward to my example and create a new one:
Player A attacks Player B´s Enraged Battle Ox with his Exarion. Of cause he don´t want to use Exarion´s Effect. Now priority goes to Player B and he activates Magic Cylinder. With the declaration as an SpellSpeed 1 effect (however it is named) Exarion´s effect can not be chained in this situation right?
(Just to show that it could matter!)
greetz
Xe0

Edit: Do you have an offical answer about the priority-thing in response to an attackdeclaration? Cause i wrote to the judgelist several times and never get anything back.

 

[masterwoo0]

You can only use Exarion's effect in the Battle Step "before" he attacks. Afterwards, he cannot activate his effect again until he can attack again, which would likely be your next turn.

 

[-Xe0-]

Why "before" he attacks. The first thing to happen in battle step is the declaration of an attack. Then one player can response. In my oppinion there is nothing before that!
greetz
Xe0

 

[DaGuyWitBluGlasses]

You can only use Exarion's effect in the Battle Step "before" he attacks. Afterwards, he cannot activate his effect again until he can attack again, which would likely be your next turn.

A battle step begins with a monster attacking. You would activate Exarion's effect after it has declared an attack.

 

[-Xe0-]

So its your opinion that the TurnPlayer has priority to response to his own attack?
Got anything offical about this ??
If yes it would clear up many questions that are waiting in my head to be answered.
greetz
Xe0

 

[masterwoo0]

A battle step begins with a monster attacking. You would activate Exarion's effect after it has declared an attack.

Merely a technicality, as I was pretty sure the Battle Step started when you stated you are selecting a monster to attack "with". You can't "attack" then say you are going to use his effect afterwards, as you would then be in the Damage Step. You "declare" you are going to attack with a monster, choose a target, then attack.

Example

Player A selects Exarion Universe as his attacking monster and chooses a monster on Player B's side of the field as his attack target.

Player A then activates Exarion Universe's effect, lowering his attack by 400 and attacks Player B's Monster.

 

[skey23]

So its your opinion that the TurnPlayer has priority to response to his own attack?
Got anything offical about this ??
If yes it would clear up many questions that are waiting in my head to be answered.
greetz
Xe0

Unfortunately, there is NOTHING 'official' publicly released about Priority that I am aware of. The only documents or articles are what we've been able to 'decipher' over the last year or so, and some have been posted here on these forums.

But, from what we've been able to determine, the Turn Player retains Priority after an attack declaration to activate Appropriate effect and cards. Then the non-Turn Player is allowed to respond.

We are all still waiting on the 'official' explanation of Priority from Kevin/UDE.

Hope this helps.

 

[-Xe0-]

But, from what we've been able to determine, the Turn Player retains Priority after an attack declaration to activate Appropriate effect and cards. Then the non-Turn Player is allowed to respond.

In my oppinion it that is not the best thing for the TurnPlayer. For example:
Player A declares an attack with his mighty Gemini Elf on a lovely Scapegoat. In his hand he got an Enemy Controller he wants to use to turn the Sacpegoat in attack position.
Player B on the other side got a face-down Mirror Force.
So if the TurnPlayer has priority he has to open up his strategie to use the EC first, cause if the nTP doesn´t response he won´t be able to use it.
If the nTP got priority so he may use Mirror Force before the opponent activates his EC and so the TP can keep his EC for a better situation!

So if you may give me some hints why in your opinion the TP has priority i would be thankfull.
greetz
Xe0

 

[DaGuyWitBluGlasses]

So if you may give me some hints why in your opinion the TP has priority i would be thankfull.
greetz
Xe0

Occam's Razor:
Go for the simplest explanation, with the given information.

-The turn player has priority to respond to a non-chainable event.
-The opponent of the controller of the last event has the first opportunity to chain to that event

So far all the rulings about priority fit into those situations.
beyond that it only gets complicated when we ask what we're allowed to do with our priority.