Five-Headed Dragon & Dragon's Mirror

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Can Dragon's Mirror be used to Special Summons Five-Headed Dragon? I'm not sure because of the wording of Dragon's Mirror. There is no list of monsters on Five-Headed Dragon...so I don't think Dragon's Mirror will work. Help Please!
 
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Yes, Dragon's Mirror can be used for Five-Headed Dragon. There is a list of monsters it uses for Fusion Materials in the first line being "The Fusion Material Monsters for this card are any 5 Dragon-Type monsters".
 
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If Five-Headed Dragon had no "list" of monsters, then you would not be able to bring it out even with Polymerization with Polymerization saying "Send Fusion Material Monsters that are listed by a Fusion Monster Card from your hand or your side of the field to the Graveyard, and Special Summon the Fusion Monster from your Fusion Deck". :eek:ldwink

A list does not mean a list literally... rather more like the monsters required to perform the fusion summon of the monster. If that doesn't help explain then I can't explain any further I'm afraid.
 
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Peps said:
If Five-Headed Dragon had no "list" of monsters, then you would not be able to bring it out even with Polymerization with Polymerization saying "Send Fusion Material Monsters that are listed by a Fusion Monster Card from your hand or your side of the field to the Graveyard, and Special Summon the Fusion Monster from your Fusion Deck". :eek:ldwink
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Ah, but Polymerization doesn't say it Fusion Summons the monster (and Five-Headed Dragon must be Fusion Summoned). It says "Special Summon" :eek:ldwink The number of times I've brought this up yet nothing's been done about it...



I was a bit miffed at the wording of Five-Headed Dragon when it came out. I'd have preferred it to say something like:

Five-Headed Dragon
Fusion Monster (Dragon / DARK / 12 Stars / ATK 5000 / DEF 5000)
5 Dragon-Type monsters
This monster cannot be Special Summoned except by Fusion Summon. This card does not take any Battle Damage and cannot be destroyed by battle with an EARTH, WATER, FIRE, WIND, or DARK monster. (Battle Damage is still inflicted to players.)


Just to be consistent with the layout of every other Fusion Monster around.
 
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Double post, but this is another question.


Five-Headed Dragon
Fusion Monster (Dragon / DARK / 12 Stars / ATK 5000 / DEF 5000)
The Fusion Material Monsters for this card are any 5 Dragon-Type monsters. This monster cannot be Special Summoned except by Fusion Summon. This card does not take any Battle Damage and cannot be destroyed by battle with an EARTH, WATER, FIRE, WIND, or DARK monster. (Battle Damage is still inflicted to players.)
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Is there any significance at all to the, "This card does not take Battle Damage from x monsters"? It seems to me like this bit was added in as a lousy translation, which then forced the inclusion of the bit in brackets at the end as well to clarify things.

In which case, could Five-Headed Dragon simply be:

Five-Headed Dragon
Fusion Monster (Dragon / DARK / 12 Stars / ATK 5000 / DEF 5000)
5 Dragon-Type monsters
This monster cannot be Special Summoned except by Fusion Summon. This card cannot be destroyed by battle with a non-LIGHT monster.

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Yes, "Five-Headed Dragon" can be brought out with "Dragon's Mirror".

The way he works is like this...

You have "Great Maju Garzett" with an ATK of 6000.
You attack your opponent's "Five-Headed Dragon".
"Five-Headed Dragon" is not destroyed in Battle, BUT your opponent still takes the 1000 damage from that attack.



Oh, and "Polymerization" doesn't 'need' to say anything about Fusion Summoning the monster because it is one of the 2 original ways to properly Fusion Summon a Fusion Monster to begin with. This has been established for years. If the Fusion Monster was not Special Summoned via the effect of "Polymerization" or "Fusion Gate", then it's not considered to have been properly Fusion Summoned. This is the reason they started clarifying which effects are considered to properly Fusion Summon now.


Hope this helps.
 
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skey23 said:
Oh, and "Polymerization" doesn't 'need' to say anything about Fusion Summoning the monster because it is one of the 2 original ways to properly Fusion Summon a Fusion Monster to begin with. This has been established for years. If the Fusion Monster was not Special Summoned via the effect of "Polymerization" or "Fusion Gate", then it's not considered to have been properly Fusion Summoned. This is the reason they started clarifying which effects are considered to properly Fusion Summon now.
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I consider this reasoning to be a load (not your reasoning, skey, but theirs). Since Polymerization is "the original" fusing card, why not just keep the very original text: "Fuses 2 or more Fusion-Material Monsters to form a new Fusion Monster."? Because we all "know" it performs a Fusion Summon.

I utterly disagree with the "This Special Summon is treated as a Fusion Summon" clause. It's ridiculous. Then again, I'm talking about Duel Monsters here.

I wish someone would turn this into a proper game at some point, with clearly defined and simple wording. I was tempted to make a list of all the cards with "modified" texts that said what they meant (and in the style of MTG or something similar), until I remembered there's over 2000 cards. Plus DigitalJedi's already done something similar (although certainly not extensive). The game certainly needs an overhaul, preferably by someone who actually cares about the game.

Also, spam spam spam spam spam. I'll be quiet now.
 
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