Flip Summoning NOMI Monsters

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"" QUOTE ""[judge-yu] Flip-Summoning "Nomi" Monsters?

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At a recent tournament it was ruled that if a monster like BLS, Gigantes
or Chaos Emperor Dragon was flipped face down due to the effect of either
book of moon or tsukuyomi they couldn't be flip summoned unless the
controlling player removes adequate monsters from his graveyard again.

1) Is this ruling true? why?

2) Can the same be applied to "nomi" monsters?

Thanks.



Answer:

1) Not correct. The cards have no provision that demands compensation when
they are Flip-Summoned. (And of course a Flip-Summon is not a Special Summon)

2) The "Nomi" monsters have no provision that would prevent them from being
Flip-Summoned. (You will note that the text on these cards does not prohibit
them from being Flip-Summoned.) ""QUOTE ""



Ok, so does this mean that there is somehow a loophole in the summoning of NOMI Monsters??? Can they be set, then Flip summoned?? I dont think so, but is that what this is saying??
 
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kingpinopie said:
"" QUOTE ""[judge-yu] Flip-Summoning "Nomi" Monsters?
Ok, so does this mean that there is somehow a loophole in the summoning of NOMI Monsters??? Can they be set, then Flip summoned?? I dont think so, but is that what this is saying??
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I know that NOMI monsters can be turned face-down BY A CARD EFFECT. This is what I was replying to, when I said that they couldn't be Set (like a Normal Summon). If a NOMI monster is turned face-down, its owner can Flip Summon it without having to meet any specific requirements.
 
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furryjenny said:
I know that NOMI monsters can be turned face-down BY A CARD EFFECT. This is what I was replying to, when I said that they couldn't be Set (like a Normal Summon). If a NOMI monster is turned face-down, its owner can Flip Summon it without having to meet any specific requirements.
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Oooook then. *confused*
 
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Everything you'll need to know about Nomi Monsters -

"confusion confusion confusion

I'll number these off...

1.) BLS - Envoy & CED - Envoy: For the 1 millionth time. If properly summoned then destroyed, you CANNOT remove light and dark to resummon them. They must & can come back through things like Monster Reborn, Premature Burial, Call of the Haunted, etc. You will ONLY need to resummon them if they return to your deck or hand with something like Fiber Jar or Monster Reincarnation.

2.) Metamorphosis & Paladin: NO you CANNOT. Paladin is is a "nomi" monster, in that it can only be special summoned by FUSION. Is special summoning through Metamorphosis, Cyber Stein, or Summoner of Illusions a FUSION? No.

3.) Card Errata vs. "Nomi" monsters: I might be the source of some confusion on this issue, here. "Nomi" refers to a specific Japanese word meaning "only", if memory serves correct. "Nomi" monsters are not limited to fusion monsters. They can span all types, but are only very powerful effect monsters.

As it stands, all special summon monsters had the same text for most of the English game. Upon the release of Ancient Sanctuary, UDE was given persmission to change the wording to help facilitate a better understanding of the game. "Nomi" monsters were given a new text to separate them... This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card cannot be Special Summoned except by...

With the new "nomi" text in place, all other special summon monsters that are not "nomi" were given this text. This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card can only be Special Summoned by...

The easiest way to check the status is to look at Netrep. They use ONLY the errataed text, so the older cards have the correct text. They also have any rulings, too.


This is sort of a make-shift list of "nomi" monsters, I've seen so far. Bear in mind new ones will be released and the list will grow. (Remember, "nomi"s can ONLY be special summoned by the means printed/errated on the card. Any other type of special summon [Graveyard Recursion, Remove from Play, from fusion deck, etc.] WLL NOT work.)

Horus the Black Flame Dragon LV8
Armed Dragon LV7
Black Paladin (ONLY through Fusion)
Theinen the Great Sphinx
Harpie Lady Sisters (errata)
Archlord Zerato
Mazera DeVille
Sorcerer of Dark Magic
Blue-Eyes Shining Dragon
Spirit of the Pharaoh
Berserk Dragon
Exodia Necross
Mirage Knight
Red Eyes Black Metal Dragon
Vampire Genesis
Red Eyes Dark Dragon
List updated for the Zombie and Dragon structure decks.

The XYZ fusions are in a weird class by themselves, but like the last 3 monsters can return from the "remove from game area". Thus making them not "nomi".

Toon Monsters are not "nomi" and can be reborn and returned from the "remove from game area"

4.) Older vs. Newer card text: Zera, as an MTG player, you have probably seen some of the old MTG cards floating around. I have a Revised copy of Serra Angel. Other than being an Uncommon version, it also says "Summon Angel". Now, I also have a 8th ed. copy too. This one says "Creature - Angel". Is one not a creature, but the other is? No, because all older cards in MTG were errated to say the same as their newer counterparts. Such is the same with YGO.

5.) It's kinda like: Think of Exodia Necross and Berserk Dragon as "Non-Ritual rituals". They are special summoned in similar ways, but are not blue. Its just a way to add variance to the game. The same way that Nightmare Penguin is a "Non Flip flip-effect". Besides, if BD were a Ritual Monster, A Deal With the Dark Ruler wouldn't be a Quick Play.

I hope this has answered all the lingering questions and wiped away some of the confusion. *sigh*"

" As to the "DCR trio" (Berserk Dragon, Mirage Knight, and Exodia Necross), I dug around and found out the source of the argument & confusion.

The UDE FAQ lists the errata text, but the offical Errata List does not list them.

Exodia Necross, Mirage Knight, & Berserk Dragon ARE "nomi" monsters. "
 
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Raijinili said:
Spike Kaiba, you can only special summon the XYZ fusions if you properly fuse them first.
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That's where a lot of confusion came around. By definition of the term "Fusion Summon", can they be summoned that way properly? No. The card text themselves says they do not use Polymerization. Thus they almost fall into the same category as the newly printed Harpie Lady Sisters. Can only be summoned by...[removing X/Y/Z from play like they have a built in Fusion Gate]

Eventually all will be explained to most everyone's satisfaction but until UDE/Konami/Kevin can all get to some sort of universal agreement, who knows how long this confusion will last?
 
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Spike Kaiba, you can only special summon the XYZ fusions if you properly fuse them first.
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A) I didn't write that and B) like OKShadow says, the XYZs are never properly fusion summoned, *thats* why they cannot be reborned etc after being destroyed, hence, becomign Nomi monsters
 
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Nomi monsters are always a pain in the ***. Especially some arguements I've had to settle because people get confused when it doesn't state where the nomi's can be summoned from. Eg. They get confused whether Archlord Zerato can be summoned from the deck/graveyard because it doesn't specifically say hand in the text.

Then there's the whole "cost" arguement where they get confused about what the difference is between CED/BLS and cards like Genesis and REDD.

But you're always going to have problems like that in a game as complicated as Yu-Gi Oh. I shudder to think what Magic: is like in that context!
 
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yeah, god knows I've had enough arguements about them...being Nomi just sucks in general though, once gone the *only* way you can get em back is a field re-set like Fiber Jar ((cept CED and BLS seeing as once successfully summoned they can be reborned))
 
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Don't forget you can bring back XYZ Dragon Cannon with Dimension Fusion. This was just on the ludge list

QUESTION:
On the FAQ page for Dimension Fusion, it says that XYZ Dragon Cannon can be
Special Summoned by the effect of Dimension Fusion. However, XYZ, XZ, XY, and
YZ can only be Special Summoned by Removing the respective parts from the game
and the FAQ states that there is no "proper" way of special summoning these
Fusions. So how can Dimension Fusion special summon them if they're never
"properly" Special Summoned to begin with?
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ANSWER:
We had the same question. But it's on the official roster of rulings so it
stays. Perhaps at some point in the future there will be a way to "properly"
summon XYZ monsters. Who knows. (We know for a fact that some things that seem
weird now will make sense once some cards in the R&D pipeline are printed.)

Kevin Tewart
Game Developer
UDE Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG R&D Lead
Upper Deck Entertainment
 
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Big Oldprankster said:
Don't forget you can bring back XYZ Dragon Cannon with Dimension Fusion. This was just on the ludge list

QUESTION:
On the FAQ page for Dimension Fusion, it says that XYZ Dragon Cannon can be
Special Summoned by the effect of Dimension Fusion. However, XYZ, XZ, XY, and
YZ can only be Special Summoned by Removing the respective parts from the game
and the FAQ states that there is no "proper" way of special summoning these
Fusions. So how can Dimension Fusion special summon them if they're never
"properly" Special Summoned to begin with?
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ANSWER:
We had the same question. But it's on the official roster of rulings so it
stays. Perhaps at some point in the future there will be a way to "properly"
summon XYZ monsters. Who knows. (We know for a fact that some things that seem
weird now will make sense once some cards in the R&D pipeline are printed.)

Kevin Tewart
Game Developer
UDE Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG R&D Lead
Upper Deck Entertainment
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The FAQ piece he's refering to here states that you can use Dimension Fusion to special summon XYZ/XY/XZ/YZ as long as it was properly summoned in the first place and hence, since currently there exists no way to properly summon them (as they are fusions but you can't fuse them normally), you can't actually use Dimension Fusion to special summon any of them. This is why Kevin said: "Perhaps at some point in the future there will be a way to "properly" summon XYZ monsters. Who knows."
 
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Rumor has it that there is suppose to be a new "WXYZ" (or something to that effect) type monster on the way that may have the ability to solve the problem of the XYZ issue...
 
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If V and W are released then the fusion deck limit might have to be repealed:

1VW 2VX 3VY 4VZ 5WX 6WY 7WZ 8XY 9XZ 10YZ
11VWX 12VWY 13VWZ 14VXY 15VXZ 16VYZ 17WXY 18WXZ 19WYZ 20XYZ
21WVXY 22WVXZ 23WVYZ 24WXYZ 25 VXYZ
26WVXYZ

Perhaps a deck limit set on a fixed number of total cards rather than the number of different cards.
 
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DaGuyWitBluGlasses said:
If V and W are released then the fusion deck limit might have to be repealed:

1VW 2VX 3VY 4VZ 5WX 6WY 7WZ 8XY 9XZ 10YZ
11VWX 12VWY 13VWZ 14VXY 15VXZ 16VYZ 17WXY 18WXZ 19WYZ 20XYZ
21WVXY 22WVXZ 23WVYZ 24WXYZ 25 VXYZ
26WVXYZ

Perhaps a deck limit set on a fixed number of total cards rather than the number of different cards.
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It might not be possible to have all those combinations though, depends on how they decide to have the cards work.
 
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