Gigantes, Chaos Sorceror, and Black Luster Soldier- Envoy of the Beginning

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Ok, I have officially stopped arguing with people about this subject, and am now posting my problem on this official YGO:TCG forum in hopes to get some real answers.
People all around tell me one minute that you can't Normal Summon or Set these monsters, and the next minute claim that there's nothing that says that they can't. Perosnally, I took all of these cards except for the Luster Soldier out of my deck so that wya it didnt matter either way which one was right.
But, I see both sides of the spectrum. It says on the card that "This card can only be special summoned by removing (required Attributes) monster(s) in your Graveyard from play."
But it doesn't say on the card that it can't be Normally Summoned or Set, which technically makes it able to be . Can someone please tell me which one is correct?

Thanks!
Dave "Yugi" W.
 
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Those cards you mentioned can only be initially summoned by the method told on the card, but after that you can revive them by any appropriate means (note if they go back to your hand you would have to re-summon them correctly again).
 
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I just wanted to say something too, even though you completely explained.

I just want to break it down for him... just about any card that says remove ( in it's card name ) and continues with this from your graveyard, wheter it's an earth, fire, wind, water, (heart, just playing) attribute you can't normal summon it even if it's off of cyber jar.

-Javario

seems as if you need more understanding on the game, but that's cool just ask and ask till you find.
 
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explanation on special summons.

all specials summons have only 2 basic positions, face up defense and face up attack.

If the card specifically states the method in which it is summon ei: Special summoned, or in this case Only by.

then that means you cannot Normal or set this monster.

card like Adros Sphynx or Sphynx telia say "YOU CAN" thouse monster do have set and normal summons not just special summoning conditions.

further more, the people telling you stuff are a bit misinformed.

say you use Monster reborn, we all know that it is a special summon, but if we remember the old text on it, it just said special summon it in any position.

and the only 2 positions were Face up defense and face up attack.

so before when you used monster reborn on a monster it would have been illegal to set it. :D

and i bet people actaully did try to set their monsters.
 
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Thanks guys. now all I have to do is explain this to my friend John, who thinks he knows everything (and calls himself "Kaiba" on a regular basis), and everyone else who told me different.
Any more questions that I get, I'll be sure to post on this site.
Thanks again!

Dave "Yugi" W.
 
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I have a query on this matter also. lets say player A summons BLS out and ends his turn. Player B on his turn normal summon Tsukuyomi and flip BLS face down . On player A's turn can he flip BLS upright ? Is it consider as a flip summon? Is it legal?
 
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cabbage said:
I have a query on this matter also. lets say player A summons BLS out and ends his turn. Player B on his turn normal summon Tsukuyomi and flip BLS face down . On player A's turn can he flip BLS upright ? Is it consider as a flip summon? Is it legal?
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You can manually change the battle position of a monster on your side of the field once per turn if

- it's battle position hasn't already been changed this turn
- it wasn't summoned or set this turn
- it hasn't attacked this turn

as you can see, there's nothing preventing Player A from flipping the BLS - EOTB (it's position was changed the PREVIOUS turn and not the current turn)!
It would be considered a Flip Summon and it would be perfectly legal! ;)

soul
 
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"Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning" cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. The fact that he was on the field meant that he already was correctly Special Summoned (or Reborned after being correctly Special Summoned). There is no condition against him from being flipped face up if he was flipped face down from "Book of Moon".

- A
 
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BLS-Envoy only needs to be properly special summoned from your hand to the field. That is the "only" part. (Well that and he can't be special summoned out of your deck.) The rulings on the remove from grave to special summon monsters are similar to Ritual Monsters as far as restrictions go. They have a condition that prevents them from being regular summoned or set, or special summoned from the hand or deck other than the summoning requirements on the card (note there is no restriction against Flip summoning these monsters as they are not able to be normal set). However unlike Nomi monsters they are able to be special summoned from the grave or out of play as long as they were correctly summoned (and haven't been returned to the hand or deck) before they arrived there.
 
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