'goats....

[cuzwbd]

@ local tourny today - ran into one i'd never heard... that scapegoats can be used for a tribute set... since a set is not a summon...so & so did it @ regionals etc etc.... any rulings on this??

 

[ygo doc]

So anything that isn't a Normal Summon, Normal Set, Tribute Summon, Tribute Set or Flip Summon is classed as a Special Summon. Some Special Summons are also classed as Sets, if the monster goes face-down.

Some players might use the term for a face-down special summon as a set, but for UDE purposes and rulings, a special summon in face-down defense position is just that: "a special summon in face-down defense position".

Reference Cyber Jar, The Shallow Grave, Spear Cretin, Nimble Momonga, etc.

None of these monsters' effects use the term "set". I would avoid this term too, because if you set a monster, you cannot summon or set another monster that same turn. With all the above monsters, they use special summons which allows you to still use your 1 summon or set per turn if applicable.

doc

 

[Digital Jedi]

Some players might use the term for a face-down special summon as a set, but for UDE purposes and rulings, a special summon in face-down defense position is just that: "a special summon in face-down defense position".

Reference Cyber Jar, The Shallow Grave, Spear Cretin, Nimble Momonga, etc.

None of these monsters' effects use the term "set". I would avoid this term too, because if you set a monster, you cannot summon or set another monster that same turn. With all the above monsters, they use special summons which allows you to still use your 1 summon or set per turn if applicable.

doc

If I'm not mistaken, UDE defines both types of "set" in their FAQ, which is what Slither quoted. "Set" in the action sense, and "set" in the orientation sense. It's unfortunate that the word can be used both ways, but we have to use both terms as some effects will reference/affect a "set" monster, regardless of how it got there.

 

[Jason_C]

"Set" is a verb meaning "To place in face-down defense position". It is also an adjective meaning "Being face-down". Hence the cause of the confusion. A monster can BE Set even if it was NOT Set.

 

[masterwoo0]

I woul have to agree with ygo_doc "in principle", but unfortunately, this here Ruling says that "in fact", he is not correct.

D.D. Trap Hole
"Set", as a verb (as in the first sentence of "D.D. Trap Hole"), means placing a monster face-down. So you can activate "D.D. Trap Hole" when your opponent Sets a monster from the hand, or Special Summons a monster face-down with "The Shallow Grave", or flips his monster face-down with a card effect.

And this one refutes the "1 Set per turn" statement also...

If your opponent Sets more than 1 monster simultaneously, as with "Cyber Jar", you cannot activate "D.D. Trap Hole". You can only activate it when your opponent Sets 1 (and only 1) monster. (In the case of "The Shallow Grave" your opponent is only Setting 1 monster, even though you are Setting 1 too. So you can activate "D.D. Trap Hole".)

 

[DaGuyWitBluGlasses]

None of these monsters' effects use the term "set". I would avoid this term too, because if you set a monster, you cannot summon or set another monster that same turn. With all the above monsters, they use special summons which allows you to still use your 1 summon or set per turn if applicable.

doc

"Normal Summon or Set" should be considered one inseparable term.

When we say "You are allowed one normal summon or set per turn" it is not saying "you are allowed only one normal summon, or else one set per turn."