Goblin attack force VS change of heart

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i have a question. what if you attack with goblin attack force. and your opponent then uses change of heart to take the f/u def attack force.

can he turn it to atk position?

the last time this question was asked the cards text was differnt from what it now is and the only arguement made was the card text. the currect card text would allow the position to be changed thus. what is correct? a reply ASAP plz
 
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So just to sum all of this up, if you change of heart or snatch steal a Goblin Attack Force that had attacked in the previous turn may you switch it and attack or not?
 
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Ok, I am currently looking at the older and newer versions of GAF. They are sitting right here in front of me, and I can tell you that the text on them is different.

GAF: PSV-094

When this card attacks, it is changed to Defense Position at the end of the Battle Phase. This position cannot be changed during your next turn.

GAF: DB1-EN202

When this card attacks, it is changed to Defense Position at the end of the Battle Phase. YOU cannot change this Battle Position until the end of your next turn.

That is the exact text on each card. Now, if you read carefully, you will see that both cards allow GAF to be changed if he is targeted with Change of Heart.

GAF:pSV-094 allows it because it states "during your next turn". So if your opponent takes it in his turn, which is NOT your next turn, he can switch it to Attack Position and attack. It is then turned to Defense Postion, and given back to you at the end of his turn. Now that you are in "your next turn", you can't change it back and attack because of the effect. Also, just for the record, if your oppponent somehow(say, Snatch Steal) gets GAF back again on the turn after he attacked via Change of Heart, he cannot attack either because it is now effectively "his next turn".

GAF:DB1-EN202 allows it because it clearly states "YOU", meaning the owner of the card and/or the one who activated his effect by attacking. So if "I "attack then "I" activate his effect, and it only applies to me, not my opponent. So he can Snatch, Change, etc. and attack with him freely.

So, to answer this question correctly, Yes GAF can be changed by your opponent after you have attacked.

Your welcome,

TooNz

"Not all who wander are lost." J.R.R. Tolkien
 
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Let's all be sure to attempt to "actually" know what we are talking about before throwing these ill explained and oft times completely wrong "rulings" to people that need them. If something is your opinion, or your belief on how a card works that's fine, but be sure to say that. People go back to their card-shops, schools, etc. with these rulings thinking they are correct and spread them like the plague. Then we have more people posting the same question over and over again because it wasn't properly answered in the first place. This question about GAF, for example, has been asked approx. 1.7 million times in various forums, and the answer has remained the same. Yes, it CAN be changed by your opponent. End of story. Want the reasoning? Scroll up a lil' bit.

Thanx for the headache,

TooNz

"Not all wander are lost." J.R.R. Tolkien
 
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CaRtOoNz said:
Let's all be sure to attempt to "actually" know what we are talking about before throwing these ill explained and oft times completely wrong "rulings" to people that need them. If something is your opinion, or your belief on how a card works that's fine, but be sure to say that. People go back to their card-shops, schools, etc. with these rulings thinking they are correct and spread them like the plague. Then we have more people posting the same question over and over again because it wasn't properly answered in the first place. This question about GAF, for example, has been asked approx. 1.7 million times in various forums, and the answer has remained the same. Yes, it CAN be changed by your opponent. End of story. Want the reasoning? Scroll up a lil' bit.

Thanx for the headache,

TooNz

"Not all wander are lost." J.R.R. Tolkien
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You are kidding me right? I have been a YuGiOh forum goer for 3 yrs, and a judge for almost as long, and NEVER has the answer been as you say.

You want logic? i'll give you logic...

"This position cannot be changed until the end of your next turn."

So what exactly happens from the time this effect takes place, to the point where you can change it back? explain?

well lets see...there is the rest of turn it takes place in, then you have the opponent's turn, and then you have "your next turn" and during that ENTIRE period of time neither player can change the battle position of GAF or GO manually.

Thats it... period.

If you want me to pound the rulings in here i will, but i see no reason for it, as this has been understood for a looong time.
 
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For Goblin Attack Force, the wording change was likely intended to make it clear that the controller of GAF could not change its position. 'YOU' always refers to the controller. If you take control of GAF by Change of Heart, etc. you can't change the position because you are now the controller.

This is how the cards interact. If you wish to discuss it further, do it civilly.
 
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Actually Dlanaan, not to sound rude but alof of cards that say "your" or "you", actually mean the owner. It all comes down to the wording. Cards like Pyramid Turtle, Giant Rat and Shining Angel all say your but the effect goes for the owner not for whoever is in control of it. Because it seems hard to understand that the effect would then apply to you even thought you were not hte one to attack with it. It seems like a time stamp is placed on whoever attacked with it. I mean if the Big Guys rule it can't be then I'm all for it. I'me just putting my two cents in.
 
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Actually Dlanaan, not to sound rude but alof of cards that say "your" or "you", actually mean the owner. It all comes down to the wording. Cards like Pyramid Turtle, Giant Rat and Shining Angel all say your but the effect goes for the owner not for whoever is in control of it.
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Not true--The YOUR means the controller of the Graveyard. If somehow it were sent to the graveyard of the owner's opponent it would be the owner's opponent that gets the effect. (but there's no way of making it go that way)
 
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To further clarify, when the effect of those cards goes on the chain, the card is in the owner's Graveyard. The owner is in control at that point and therefore gains the benefits (And detriments) of the effect.
 
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Dlanaan said:
For Goblin Attack Force, the wording change was likely intended to make it clear that the controller of GAF could not change its position. 'YOU' always refers to the controller. If you take control of GAF by Change of Heart, etc. you can't change the position because you are now the controller.

This is how the cards interact. If you wish to discuss it further, do it civilly.
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In general yes "you" or "your" is refering to the controller.

However in this case its a condition not an effect, and most likey when the condition is set, the duration of it is soley based on the controller of the card at that time. The "your next turn" is specifically refering to the controller of GAF/GO at the time the condition is set.

This really has nothing to do with controlling it with Change of Heart afterwords. As the condition remains on the monster no matter who controls it.
 
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im surprised people would come to the conclusion that if you change of heart Gaf or GO that its conditions would reset.

only way for a monsters condition to ever rest is through 1, removing from the field to owners hand and then re summining it 2. removing it out of play for a period of time or 3. book of mooning it and then somehow flip it up (manual flip, book of taiyou, desert sunlight)

but a simple change of location doesnt reset jack.

im surprised that little drama a few posts up happend.

over all i see this question as fully asnwered by dlaanan and would like to know if any of the mods will lock this cause its a serious headacher. :)
 
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in japan i mean.

but ive seen some people in our area do that too.

I belive what UDE should do is finally release a booklet that will keep all basic rules set up so that this kind of nonsense will stop.

cause like 3 players did that to me at a tournament.

cyber then change then flip my own magician of faith.

every i ended with a flip effect monster after a cyber jar they changed it and flipped it.

since im not the tournament judge i really have no say in it.
 
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