Horus lv6
- Thread starter Blueagle
- Start date
Because as long as 'Horus LV6' is face-up on the field it is UNAFFECTED by ANY spell cards.
You can use 'Monster Reborn' and 'Premature Burial', because they are getting him from the graveyard, so he wouldn't be face-up on the field at that time, he would be in the graveyard.
'Level Up!' works ONLY because sending 'Horus LV6' to the graveyard is a COST to activating it. It's not part of the effect of 'Level Up!'.
'Creature Swap' cannot be used against a face-up 'Horus LV6' because he is FACE-UP, so he is UNAFFECTED by ANY spell card.
Targeting is not an issue and does not come into play with 'Horus LV6'.
You can use 'Monster Reborn' and 'Premature Burial', because they are getting him from the graveyard, so he wouldn't be face-up on the field at that time, he would be in the graveyard.
'Level Up!' works ONLY because sending 'Horus LV6' to the graveyard is a COST to activating it. It's not part of the effect of 'Level Up!'.
'Creature Swap' cannot be used against a face-up 'Horus LV6' because he is FACE-UP, so he is UNAFFECTED by ANY spell card.
Targeting is not an issue and does not come into play with 'Horus LV6'.
Premature and Monster Reborn work because they target in the Graveyard. Horus LV6 doesn't have an effect in the Graveyard. Level up doesn't target LV 6. You just send LV6 to the Graveyard to get the effect of Level Up.
Creatue swap doesn't work because you would have to select LV 6 with its effect and LV 6 is unaffected by Magic cards.
Creatue swap doesn't work because you would have to select LV 6 with its effect and LV 6 is unaffected by Magic cards.
I just want to add onto this a little bit. I think I already have the answer to my question but I just want to have it confirmed here on netrep just because I trust it so much.
In the case of Horus LV 6 VS. Premature Burial, I know you can special summon LV 6 from the grave using Premature. But once LV 6 is special summoned wouldn't he be unaffected by the second effect of Premature? Basically the portion where it says if Premature is destroyed then the monster summoned by Premature is destroyed. I have read about the whole scenario with Jinzo VS. Call of the Haunted and so I would just assume it would basically hold true with this situation as well.
In the case of Horus LV 6 VS. Premature Burial, I know you can special summon LV 6 from the grave using Premature. But once LV 6 is special summoned wouldn't he be unaffected by the second effect of Premature? Basically the portion where it says if Premature is destroyed then the monster summoned by Premature is destroyed. I have read about the whole scenario with Jinzo VS. Call of the Haunted and so I would just assume it would basically hold true with this situation as well.
masterwoo0
NINJA4LIFE
If Premature Burial were destroyed, Horus LV6 would be unaffected. Normally a Monster Reborn by Premature would be destroyed, but again, thats an effect, and LV6 is unaffected by Spell Cards. Basically, Premature Burial becomes a dead card when it brings back Horus LV6.
StRiKe_NiNjA
Dimension Shift Ninja
Blueagle said:
Level Up! has a cost where as monsters unaffected by Spell cards can still be tributed, as you cannot negate costs.
Example: Mass Driver Vs Legendary Fisherman can still be tributed involving a cost.
Example: Imperial Order Vs Emergency Provision can send Imperial Order an have it's effect resolve properly.
Yes you could use it for Metamorphosis with Horus LV6 since that would be the cost.
Just to update everyone.
Go here: http://www.yugiohrealms.com/forum//threads/419065
Effects like Creature Swap can be activated even if the only avaliable monsters are unaffected, it will simply resolve without effect.
Hope that helps
Go here: http://www.yugiohrealms.com/forum//threads/419065
Effects like Creature Swap can be activated even if the only avaliable monsters are unaffected, it will simply resolve without effect.
Hope that helps
masterwoo0
NINJA4LIFE
I dont see where that really changes anything. You can still activate Spell Cards while Imperial Order is active, but they resolve without effect in most cases.novastar said:
Non-Spellcasting Area "negates" the effect of Creature Swap. Horus LV6 is "invisible" to Spell Cards effect's (not cost), so you have no eligible monster to swap control with if Horus LV6 is the only monster, AND it is face-up, on either players side of the field.
In that case, you cannot activate Creature Swap with basically only one monster on the field, just like you cannot tribute Exiled Force to destroy itself if there are no other targets (monsters).
But... Since Steve O. says its so, I guess it so....
Creature Swap can be activated and will simply be negated if one of the only eligable monsters to be chosen is unaffected by Spell Cards. That's what the ruling means. It is no longer an illegal activation.
Bottom Line, this is always how it should have worked. The illegal activation ruling was always erroneous.
But would that include picking say Horus LV6 even if you had another monster on your side of the field to deliberately cause it to fail? Given in that context (and what else he wrote), you should be able to do that.
masterwoo0
NINJA4LIFE
Just when it seems like things might be falling together, they just get even more apart. That is going to make even more headaches trying to explain over the "old" ruling that says Horus LV6 is not a valid target for Spell Cards.
I guess you can activate a whole slew of Spell Cards on him now, just to combo with Spell Absorption if you need the extra life points.
I guess you can activate a whole slew of Spell Cards on him now, just to combo with Spell Absorption if you need the extra life points.
half way relating to subject
horus level six:
can he kill a scapegoat and level up? I ask because someone said that you can't book of moon a scapegoat because it is an incorrect target for a monster. I don't know if it was because of tokens can't go face down, or you can't target them with book of moon because of their status of being tokens. Not falling of subject of horus and magic. Scapegoats spell slash tokens, I was only wondering if he could level up when hitting a scapegoat. Because of the consideration of a scapegoat not necessarily being a monster, but considered a monster. I think he'd level up but I'm not sure. But if I can tribute a token for hand of nepthys or tribute a token for a toon monster I think horus would level up. So please help me out all...
-Javario
horus level six:
can he kill a scapegoat and level up? I ask because someone said that you can't book of moon a scapegoat because it is an incorrect target for a monster. I don't know if it was because of tokens can't go face down, or you can't target them with book of moon because of their status of being tokens. Not falling of subject of horus and magic. Scapegoats spell slash tokens, I was only wondering if he could level up when hitting a scapegoat. Because of the consideration of a scapegoat not necessarily being a monster, but considered a monster. I think he'd level up but I'm not sure. But if I can tribute a token for hand of nepthys or tribute a token for a toon monster I think horus would level up. So please help me out all...
-Javario
Chillout1984
New Member
Horus the Black Flame Dragon LV6:
"As long as this card remains face-up on your side of the field, it is unaffected by any Spell Cards. During the End Phase of a turn that this card destroyed a monster as a result of battle, send this card to the Graveyard to Special Summon 1 "Horus the Black Flame Dragon LV8" from your hand or Deck. "
Nowhere on the card says that the monster he destroys can't be a token or that the destroyed card must be send to the graveyard. So when he destroys a Sheep Token, Horus can be send to the graveyard to special summon Horus LV8.
"As long as this card remains face-up on your side of the field, it is unaffected by any Spell Cards. During the End Phase of a turn that this card destroyed a monster as a result of battle, send this card to the Graveyard to Special Summon 1 "Horus the Black Flame Dragon LV8" from your hand or Deck. "
Nowhere on the card says that the monster he destroys can't be a token or that the destroyed card must be send to the graveyard. So when he destroys a Sheep Token, Horus can be send to the graveyard to special summon Horus LV8.
chaosruler
New Member
Javario - tokens cannot go face-down via Book of Moon, Swords of Concealing Light, etc. because tokens cannot flip face-down, that's that. 
-chaosruler
-chaosruler
reply on subject
Thanx for answer, and yeah I figured. I just wanted a reason. I like to have something to back myself up. I don't like sitting there playing someone and they're like so can I or can't I. Or, why can't i? or why can i?, I had answers I said I didn't really know>lol But, now I do thanx.
=Javario
Thanx for answer, and yeah I figured. I just wanted a reason. I like to have something to back myself up. I don't like sitting there playing someone and they're like so can I or can't I. Or, why can't i? or why can i?, I had answers I said I didn't really know>lol But, now I do thanx.
=Javario