I wanted to finish my thought...

[Complex_Mind]

Note: I want what I wanted to say known, the thread was locked when I pressed send and I wouldn't have been happy until I got my thoughts out into the open.

That's up to him to decide. However that is no kind of test as to who's advice was beter and who's wasn't. The only thing it would prove is that this idea did or didn't work for him and him alone under these conditions. We're not going to get into "quien es mas macho" tournaments again, which is where this is leading. I have no desire to lock this thread. So <speaking to everyone> lets keep the conversation civil. Stick to the subject at hand. 00Patince, you have a majority against you here, but that does not mean we are ignoring your suggestion. For the most part, it just doesn't seem like a direction we want this forum to go.

Sorry for posting again in so short of time, but I have more things to discuss.

This forum is DISCOURAGED from UNORIGINALITY.

If I edit a deck, explain why their original ideas and cards won't work, and edit them out with BETTER cards. Cards that would make the deck as a whole better, I am discriminated against for being unoriginal.

Everyone thinks this is a superior forum rather than Pojo or Metagame, or whatever the competition is. I'll tell you how it's different.

Pojo.
Discriminated against when you're original.

Here.
Discriminated against when you're UNoriginal.

I would like to see a section of decks in which SERIOUS players of this game can post their decks and get SERIOUS and PROFESSIONAL help with their decks. In preperation of a regional of SJC event, NOT at home playing with your kid brother's friends.

When I posted numerous decks here, I was given "original" advice that was just plain, unrunnable, when I seriously posted my deck here because I sensed flaws.

Instead of correcting those flaws, I was suggested other flaws. I would have prefered someone to tell me what was wrong with my deck, what I was missing, and things that can make it better. Not more "fun", not more "original" and certainly not cards that would make the deck worse off.

I somewhat agree with my brother, I want serious advice from serious players, not janky advice from people who play the game uncompetatively.

 

[Jason_C]

Let me just say, Complex, that I know where you're coming from. I get your point.

Remember how I said in one of our PMs that you had earned my respect? Well, don't throw it away. Hear me out, please.

I like CC. And I see that here, people who like CC are discriminated against. But there's a reason for it, and it's not about originality. It's about spam. People who post netdecks are, in some ways, spamming. Why? Because that same deck has been posted before, and nothing anyone says in that thread couldn't have been said in another thread. In other words: When CC is played, there just isn't much room for input. Thus making the thread spam.

 

[krazykidpsx]

Let me just say, Complex, that I know where you're coming from. I get your point.

Remember how I said in one of our PMs that you had earned my respect? Well, don't throw it away. Hear me out, please.

I like CC. And I see that here, people who like CC are discriminated against. But there's a reason for it, and it's not about originality. It's about spam. People who post netdecks are, in some ways, spamming. Why? Because that same deck has been posted before, and nothing anyone says in that thread couldn't have been said in another thread. In other words: When CC is played, there just isn't much room for input. Thus making the thread spam.

Complex yOu understand Jason has a point right?

I stated the same thing in your thread which i got shut from. So again... Btw. Metagame tells you what to play, they dont really actually go about testing all 3000+ cards to know. Sometimes they just pick cards that are good and make decks then tell you to play it.

Heck that Jae Kim article with the Trap line up he stated which was the best, but personally the best for him cause the best for me is way different.

 

[Complex_Mind]

Let me just say, Complex, that I know where you're coming from. I get your point.

Remember how I said in one of our PMs that you had earned my respect? Well, don't throw it away. Hear me out, please.

I like CC. And I see that here, people who like CC are discriminated against. But there's a reason for it, and it's not about originality. It's about spam. People who post netdecks are, in some ways, spamming. Why? Because that same deck has been posted before, and nothing anyone says in that thread couldn't have been said in another thread. In other words: When CC is played, there just isn't much room for input. Thus making the thread spam.

CC or not, if the user asks for help or suggestions, I'm going to try. I have corrected CC decks before, sometimes they have apparent problems such as misproportion/bad numbers.

When people put together cookie cut decks, they throw good cards together and don't think. Trust me, I've seen many cookie cut decks that have big problems, I've fixed them.

When I help someone with their deck, I'm going to try to make the deck as good as I can, if that means putting commonly used cards into it, so be it. Unless an original idea shows promise, I won't recommend it.

Edit: To Krazykid, I saw the Jae Kim article just recently when they reposted it. I had decided to use that lineup before reading it. I think that destruction is better than negation, and I stuck to it. I don't let metagame.com decide what to run for me. I test and reason WHY decks are better than others.

 

[Digital Jedi]

Now see, this is part of the problem at hand here. Lets get to the heart of th matter and then leave it at that.

I would like to see a section of decks in which SERIOUS players of this game can post their decks and get SERIOUS and PROFESSIONAL help with their decks. In preperation of a regional of SJC event, NOT at home playing with your kid brother's friends.

When I posted numerous decks here, I was given "original" advice that was just plain, unrunnable, when I seriously posted my deck here because I sensed flaws.

Who decided that the advice you recieved was "unrunable" and unprofesional? Who decided that people who post originalty are not serious and are not are not getting serious help from our members? You insult us with these statements, even if it wasn't your intention. If anything we are MORE serious about our decks because we embrace the entire game and all the cards in it. There is a sea of untapped potential out there and we want to explore it.

You've made your arguments and we get it. You believe unoriginality is the only thing that is competitve. Your mistaken, but we get it. You forget that the so-called Cookie Cutter that your so fond of was someone else's original idea at one time.

If you wan't to play the same decks that run the same content as everyone elses then thats enntirely your perogative. Do not expect much advice from people, even with a seprate forum for CC, since there isn't much to say about it. And as far as originality being rewarded is concerned, well, thats just a fact of life. Originlaity is always rewarded before unoriginality.

Now I going to assume everone has said their peace and lock this one as well. There are plenty of forums on the web who cater to the CC crowd and we are not in compitition with them and do not mind if they handle that action for us. We however are going to cover the world of TCGs that is untapped, untested and by that token, more rewarding.

 

[krazykidpsx]

so why go to metagame? If your a pro and a very good deck builder why bother with something like metagame?

Why do I bother to visit www.magicthegathering.com ? becuase i get my info from the source not some secondary party.

 

[helpoemer316]

All right, I know this is locked, I know that the staff here doesn't want people to add onto this. But me being the kind of guy I am, I'm not just gonna ignore this either. I'm not as hands on as I used to be around here, the staff here now does pretty much everything that I did by myself for a short time, and I have to say that most of the staff here is here because I elected to bring them on as moderators, of course the system changed and I worked my way out of the system, mainly because I just didn't have the time to sit down and worry about things like this anymore.

But I do have to say this, threads such as this are no more professional then the people you complain about. I'll admit, sure, people can probably not be as kind to someone who wants to run a netdeck, but that's how the world of the internet is, people aren't gonna be as nice to you here as they would in your face. Netdeckers (which if you're running a deck that's not your original creation, you're basically just that) are frowned upon not just here but on Pojo and Realms. They're frowned upon everywhere, the only reason you don't notice it as much elsewhere is because they are much bigger forums, little stuff like that gets lost in the cracks very easily, but here in a smaller community it sticks out like a sore thumb as a flaw.

This community was founded by gamers for gamers. I myself am exactly that, a gamer. I have no job currently and you can argue no life. But I do make a living playing the games I love and have done so for quite a number of months now. With that being said I would like to think that my opinion is at least valid. Please, don't be unprofessional around here with such threads as this. Flame threads only lead to one thing, MORE FLAMES! It doesn't help things one bit, if you have a problem with someone, bring it to Mr. Danker or one of the other Trustee members, if you don't know who they are, then you can always come to me or ask a moderator and they'll point you in the right direction.

Now if you're curious as to why you may notice a difference, judges tend to be the most creative deck builders you find, which may also be why in at least the game of YGO they tend to be the worst players. That's not to say that they're bad players, it's just to say that the game isn't the best game in the world to be creative in. It's no secret that YGO literally punishes players for being creative, that's why I stopped playing the game well over a year ago and picked up VS System. I like playing a game where the top 8 changes in every tournament, I like playing a game where my creative skills come in handy and netdeckers stay at the bottom of the pack. It's not to say that you don't have a right to play the game, but it is a game for the more skilled player.

I'm not saying you're not skilled, I'm not saying you're not creative, I'm just saying that you need to realize that many people come with the mindframe that a good deck in their eyes is a deck that is original. You see so many cookie cutter decks out there, what makes yours more special than anyone elses? That's the point, it's not discriminating against you because you're being "unoriginal" as you called it. But it's being more acknowledgable to the very few people who are "original", the people who easily get overlooked on the other forums.

But case in point since I've gotta keep this rant short, please. I'm BEGGING you! Please don't post something like this again, it doesn't reflect well on you at all.