Jigen Bakudan/Lava Golem help

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Tussin

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acid trap hole + jigen bakudan - can i use the trap on my standby phase to properly offer my monsters as a tribute ?

share the pain + jigen bakudan - say if i trigger jigen and select my opponents lava golem, would he take 1500 along with everything else i tributed?

1 monster in each graveyard, i play the shallow grave, i then play soul exchange, can i tribute the set monster on his side along with mine to be counted as 2 tributes for Lava Golem?

if none of those work, i guess ill have to work with dimension hole and/or interdimensional transport device to fire him off easier
 
Tussin said:
acid trap hole + jigen bakudan - can i use the trap on my standby phase to properly offer my monsters as a tribute ?

No. "Acid Trap Hole" looks at a face-down monster. The "flip" part is merely to see if the conditions are met. If the DEF of the creature is less than 2000, it's destroyed. Otherwise, it is turned back face down. No FLIP effects would be activated.

Tussin said:
share the pain + jigen bakudan - say if i trigger jigen and select my opponents lava golem, would he take 1500 along with everything else i tributed?

Again, no. You can either offer "Jigen Bakudan" as a tribute for "Share the Pain" during your Main Phase 1 or 2 only or offer "Jigen Bakuden" as a tribute during your standby phase for his own effect (assuming he was flipped first).

Tussin said:
1 monster in each graveyard, i play the shallow grave, i then play soul exchange, can i tribute the set monster on his side along with mine to be counted as 2 tributes for Lava Golem?

No. You cannot offer your own monster as a tribute to special summon "Lava Golem". Likewise "Soul Exchange" would do nothing for you since that allows you to offer your opponent's monster as a tribute in place of your own. You are already selecting 2 of your opponent's monsters as a tribute to summon "Lava Golem".

Tussin said:
if none of those work, i guess ill have to work with dimension hole and/or interdimensional transport device to fire him off easier

To fire who off easier? You do realize that in both cases, the monster returns to your side of the field... in one case during your next standby phase ("Dimensionhole") or the current end phase (I am assuming you meant "Interdimensional Matter Transporter" instead).

- Andrew
 
well i think the best way would be dimension hole with desert sunlight, since interdimensional is hard to come by. :boxing:
 
*reads the faq*

Ok, "Acid Trap Hole" does activate the flip effect... but in Jigen Bakuden's case, since his defense is less than 2000, he'd be destroyed before he can offer himself as a tribute.

- Andrew
 
Even if somehow his DEF is above 2000 (bunch of Yellow Luster Shields, Chorus of Sanctuary, etc.) Jigen Bakudan will be flipped face-down again before its effect could be activated. Since it is face-down, it would have to be flipped again to try to get its effect (Tributing is a Speed 1 action). You can't Tribute the face-down Jigen Bakudan because the game doesn't know that it is the same one (odd as it sounds).
 
Yes,

I'm sure that D was refering to Jigen's effect being a Spell Speed 1, so it cannot be chained to Acid Trap Hole.

Also, Tributing is an event/action, and does not neccessarily have to be a cost. It can be an effect or part of one (Ectoplasmer). In this case (Jigen) it is a cost (or happens at the "speed" of cost).
 
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