Last Turn and Jowls/Raffelia Seduction

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Yurameshi

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Player A has 1000 lifepoints. This allows him to activate last turn, and he designates his face down Raffelia Seduction, or Jowls of Dark Demise as his target. So his opponent summons a monster, and they battle, but because jowls and raffelia's effect allow them to take control of an opponents monster. So at the end phase of his turn, when the monster is supposed to go back under opponents control,who gets the win, player A declare the win, or Player B because he gets his monster back from the effect of Jowls or Raffelia Seduction?
 
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During the end phase, both conditions can resolve. Since the same player controls the resolution of both items, he/she can decide which one to have resolve first, which in the case he/she can claim the "Last Turn" victory first before having to return the monster.

- Andrew
 
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Yurameshi said:
Player A has 1000 lifepoints. This allows him to activate last turn, and he designates his face down Raffelia Seduction, or Jowls of Dark Demise as his target. So his opponent summons a monster, and they battle, but because jowls and raffelia's effect allow them to take control of an opponents monster. So at the end phase of his turn, when the monster is supposed to go back under opponents control,who gets the win, player A  declare the win, or Player B because he gets his monster back from the effect of Jowls or Raffelia Seduction?
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Please think hard on this one, to date 4 cards make this a bad IDEAL or you may do this :boom:
can you think of the four cards? :?
:wizard:
 
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Sasuke , Silent Swordsmans, etc. can make this a problem, but it is an alternate way to win with "Last Turn".

Another one I like to use is "Non Aggression Area", once it is activated you only need a monster on the field (any monster).
 
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Not reliable at all, since the opponent would be able to get "Sinister Serpent" from his graveyard when the Stanby Phase does come around, normal summon it in Main Phase 1 to force a draw at the least or attack and kill Jowgen for the win.

- Andrew
 
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My understanding they could not summon sinister from their hand once Last Turn is played and even then the "opponent of Last Turn" could not keep Sinister on the field due to Last Turn's text that all cards in opponent's hand and field are sent to the graveyard and then the opponent special summons from the deck. How can serpent stay on the field and then attack Jowgen if he gets thrown to the grave soon as he comes out of it?
 
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Because if there is a "Sinister Serpent" in your graveyard during your standby phase, you can retrieve it and add it to your hand.

Then during your main phase, you can normal summon him.

The December ARRJ has the "Last Turn" article I wrote which explains the game mechanic about the card. One thing to remember is that the turn player's turn continues normally from the phase that "Last Turn" was activated in so if it was the player's Draw phase when LT was activated, it's still that player's Draw Phase after "Last Turn" resolves (and that battle possibly takes place).

- A
 
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it also dont make a SEGOC chain?

in end turn we will have 2 effcts

a- raffesia seduction end efct=return the monster to oponent

b- last turn efct= check the remaining monster and declare victory

if the same player control both efcts , he shouldnt order these efcts is a chain to resolve them properly?

so if you want to win

linlk 1 raffesia seduction

link 2 last turn

them resolve as a normal chain

link 2 goes; last turne check the unique monster on the field still is under control of the owner of raffesia seduction and declares his victory

link 1 fizzles

suggestions?

woltarr
 
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It's not a SEGOC.

Both effects need to be resolved during the same phase, but not at the same moment (like say if "Sangan" attacks/destroys/is destroyed by "Sangan". That is a SEGOC.)

- Andrew
 
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