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Horus the Black Flame Dragon LV4
Mind Control

If Mind Control is used on a face down Horus LV4, and it is then flipped face up, as I understand it, it won't go back to it's owner's side of the field. The Question is, will it permenantly remain bound by it's no Attack/Tribute condition? and if so, what events would reset this condition?


Also, if a monster without side a control switching prevention effect is taken control of by Mind Control, and then handed back to it's owner by means of Creature Swap, would it keep it's no attack/tribute condition? and if so, for how long?
 
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In all the direct interpretation of the card's wording, this all seems fine. In concept, however, it seems daft that you can use this card to stop your opponent from attacking or tributing with that monster after you've handed it back.
 
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Sheep Tokens are created by Scapegoat, there is no escape for them.

Mind Control if different, it takes control of a mosnter until the end pahase of a turn. Thus the condition will be based on that, and therefore the mosnter has an escape eitehr at the end of the turn or when control reverts, we cannot say which.


Look at Triangle Ecstasy Spark, separate sentences on that but they are based on each other (can't activate it without a Harpie Lady Sisters)
 
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If your opponent chains "Magic Jammer" to your "Scapegoat" you may still perform Summons that turn, but if they chain "Imperial Order" you may not perform Summons.

As long as this card remains face-up on the field, negate the effects of all Spell Cards on the field. Pay 700 Life Points during each of your Standby Phases. If you do not, this card is destroyed.

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There's a reason for that ruling. If you read the effect carefully, it states, "negate the effects of all Spell Cards on the field." it does not say negate the activation of a Spell Card. That why you cannot perform any summons if Scapegoat's effect is negated by Imperial Order. However for Magic Jammer, your negating the "activation" of Scapegoat which allows you to perform summons during that turn.


Mind Control
Take control of 1 monster on your opponent's side of the field until the End Phase. This monster cannot declare an attack or be Tributed.

The effect where you return the monster to the opponent during the End Phase does not indicate how long the condition lasts.

If that case were true, then people would imply that when you take control of your opponent's monster that you may attack or tribute with that monster, then when it returns to your opponent, your opponent cannot attack or tribute it "then".

The condition remains until that monster is removed from the field.
 
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Really, the card text was quite vauge on the actual duration of its restrictive effects. However a literal interpretion of the card doesn't specify the restrictions are lifted at the End Phase. I honestly think the text was just worded badly (or translated too literaly) The way it's worded, I believe they meant it to only last for the duration of the turn and didn't notie the loophole. Any idea howthe original Japanese text reads?
 
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Digital Jedi said:
Really, the card text was quite vauge on the actual duration of its restrictive effects. However a literal interpretion of the card doesn't specify the restrictions are lifted at the End Phase. I honestly think the text was just worded badly (or translated too literaly) The way it's worded, I believe they meant it to only last for the duration of the turn and didn't notie the loophole. Any idea howthe original Japanese text reads?
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I have to agree. Probably the japanese text it similar. They just didn't consider it when writing it.

Wouldn't be first time... and certainly not the last...
 
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Anyone catch the official statement on Mind Control? If not here it is:

http://lists.upperdeck.com/read/messages?id=4220

This card is popping up more and more. Is it's effect
only good for one turn? One player seems to think
that since the card is somewhat vague, that if Mind
Control is used, when it returns to the opponent's
side of the field, the original controller of the
monster cannot tribute it.

As the judge at the tournament, I ruled that this was
not so, considering that Mind Control is not
continuous, and it makes no mention of "your oppenent
cannot tribute this monster once this card is
activated"

Can I get some official documentation?

Thanks in advance.
Lucas Loughmiller
Level 1 Judge



Answer:

The effects only last for one turn.

"Mind Control" acts like "Change of Heart", but with additional restrictions.

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StRiKe_NiNjA said:
The effect of Mind Control continues to linger as long as that monster remains on the field, no attacks and cannot be tributed. Mind Control doesn't state how long the condition lasts, so it lasts as long that monster remains on the field.

This card is like Change of Heart, activating Book of Moon will not reset the condition placed on the monster by Mind Control. It will then later return to your opponent. No attack, cannot be tributed.
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Not sure where you are getting this information, but I dont think that is the way Mind Control was intended to be played, and any speculation on the effect "lingering" past the end of the turn it was activated on is just speculation and not based on any specific ruling or "similar" ruling that I know of.
 
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masterwoo0 said:
Not sure where you are getting this information, but I dont think that is the way Mind Control was intended to be played, and any speculation on the effect "lingering" past the end of the turn it was activated on is just speculation and not based on any specific ruling or "similar" ruling that I know of.
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Check Digital Jedi's last post and the text he copied into it, it's a ruling from the Judge list so they've already cleared up that the condition only lasts 'til the end of the turn.
 
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So even if you kept control of the chosen monster (like in th case with Horus LV4) it would still lose it's no attack/tribute condition the following turn.
 
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