Monster effects (general)

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Drasek

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In one of these post i saw that chaos emperor dragon can immediately activate its effect even if the opponent activates bottomless trap hole, the question is: any monster with similar effect can do that? for example like this dramatization:

Me: I summon chiron the mage
oppon: trap hole!
Me: I dont care i use immediately its effect so he is destroyed but I also destroy one of your magic/traps
oppon: not fair!
Me: now I speacial summon tribe infection virus
oppon: bottomless!
Me: I dont care because I use its effect immediately, it will be removed from play but I discard one card to kill all your dragons
oppon: mmm im gonna play with somebody else

and so I could give more dramatic examples but you already got the idea.
 
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thats because some monsters have "priority" to use their effects....you can like choose to immediately activate certain monster's effect right before they were going to be destroyed by another card effect...im not sure this is rite..but another example is..

Player 1
summons Mobius the Frost Monarch
Player 2
Activates Bottomless Trap Hole to destroy and remove mobius
Player 1
has priority(or option) to activate mobius' effect to destroy 2 s/t's before he gets removed...mobius is then removed

hope that helped..
 
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Welcome Drasek! Please visit our intro/farewell area and introduce yourself to everybody!

Now, on to your questions....

What you are asking about is known as Priority. The short, short, short answer is this...

The Turn Player retains priority at just about every event that can be responded to. When summoning, the Turn Player retains priority to activate a valid monster ignition effect OR a Spell Speed 2 or 3 effect.

So with both of your given examples, when your opponent immediately responds to the summon with "Bottomless Trap Hole" or "Trap Hole", you simply tell them that you, as the Turn Player, have priority to activate your monster's Ignition Effect before they can activate their card, THEN they can chain to the activation of your monster's effect. So your examples would resolve like this...

You summon "Chiron the Mage", you retain Priority and choose to activate his Ignition Effect by discarding a Spell Card from your hand, THEN your opponent CAN chain with "Trap Hole". "Trap Hole" resolves 1st, destroying "Chiron the Mage", then his effect will still resolve destroying the targeted Spell/Trap card.

You summon "Tribe-Infecting Virus", you retain Priority and choose to activate his effect by discarding a card from your hand and declaring a monster type, THEN your opponent CAN chain with "Bottomless Trap Hole". "Bottomless Trap Hole" resolves 1st, destroying and removing "Tribe-Infecting Virus" from play. Then "Tribe-Infecting Virus"s effect will still resolve and destroy all remaining monsters of the declared type.

Hope this helps!
 
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Inuyasha_Riku said:
thats because some monsters have "priority" to use their effects....
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Nope! Monsters NEVER have Priority. Players have Priority. The Turn Player retains Priority and has the chance to respond 1st. If they don't want to respond, then Priority is passed to the opponent.
 
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well yes, but mobius says in its text "When this card is Tribute Summoned successfully, you can bla blah" so if you accomplish the condition to normal/speacial summon it then you get the effect even if the opponent chains with bottomless/torrential.

but our friend chaos emperor dragon's ruling text doesnt say "if you remove 1 light & 1 dark monster from your graveyard you can pay 1000 Hp to win without dignity and in the second most bored way posible (the first one is using yata)" well it doesn't say this but again you catch the idea. (yes i hate traditional format).

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Wow, I was just replying the first post and now its full of answers, you all are fast.
 
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Drasek said:
well yes, but mobius says in its text "When this card is Tribute Summoned successfully, you can bla blah" so if you accomplish the condition to normal/speacial summon it then you get the effect even if the opponent chains with bottomless/torrential.

but our friend chaos emperor dragon's ruling text doesnt say "if you remove 1 light & 1 dark monster from your graveyard you can pay 1000 Hp to win without dignity and in the second most bored way posible (the first one is using yata)" well it doesn't say this but again you catch the idea. (yes i hate traditional format).

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Wow, I was just replying the first post and now its full of answers, you all are fast.
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Mobius the Frost Monarch is a trigger effect that activates immediatly upon summoning. Priority in't an issue with him because his MANDITORY effect triggers when he is succesfully summoned. Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End is an Igntition Effect that doesn't have a specific trigger. You have to manually activate it.

What we are talking about here is Priority. And that has absolutly nothing to do with the effects of the monsters in question. When you, as the Turn Player, summon a monster, you have priority to activate the effect of the monster or monsters on your side of the field or any Spell Speed 2 effects that can be activated at that time. The big difference with Mobius is that we're talking about a Manditory effect that you didn't have a choice to activate. Manditory effects essentially "use up" your priority when triggered.
 
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Here's another one for you...

You have a face-up "Cannon Soldier" on the field from a previous turn. You summon "Archfiend Soldier", your opponent immediately responds with "Trap Hole", but WAIT!! Remember, you retain Priority, so guess what you can do!? You 'call Priority' to activate "Cannon Soldier"s effect BEFORE your opponent can respond with "Trap Hole", but they've already turned it over and shown it to you, so what happens? Well, basically a game state 'rewind' occurs and the "Trap Hole" is returned face-down. Now, you can activate the effect of your "Cannon Soldier" ONE TIME in response to the Summon of "Archfiend Soldier" tributing ANY monster on your side of the field. Here's where the FUN PART comes in. If you offer the newly summoned "Archfiend Soldier", it will be sent to the Graveyard as the Cost to activate the effect, so it goes immediately. Since it's no longer on the field, your opponent CANNOT chain with Trap Hole because there is NO legal target!

So..because your opponent 'jumped the gun', so to speak, not only did they expose their set "Trap Hole", but they lost 500 LPs in the process!

Basically this example was just to show you that you can activate ANY valid Ignition effect ONE TIME before your opponent can respond with cards like "Trap Hole" or "Torrential Tribute" or "Bottomless Trap Hole", etc..even if it WASN'T the effect of the card being summoned.

Hope this helps!
 
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Digital Jedi said:
Mobius the Frost Monarch is a trigger effect that activates immediatly upon summoning. Priority in't an issue with him because his MANDITORY effect triggers when he is succesfully summoned.
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Umm...Sorry DJ, but "Mobius the Frost Monarch"s effect is an OPTIONAL Trigger Effect, hence the word 'can' in the card text..lol. So Priority DOES come into play with him, but only upon his successful Tribute Summon.

Just thought I'd point that out..lol.
 
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Ignition effect... ah!, I have lost many times because my ignorance, next saturday I will explain this to my friends and they will crucify me saying it is a lie, but ill save the link so ill prove my words! Thank you very much!
 
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Doggone it! Well, let me rephrase that. Let's replace Mobius with something like Breaker the Magical Warrior. Now thats manditory. When you summon him you have to place a Spell Counter on him and that will effectively "use up" your priority giving your opponent something to chain to it.

Just remember, the key word here is priority, not Ignition Effect. Priority has everything to do with it.
 
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