Monster Priorites

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mikoal

Sinister Control
If any of u know where to find a link which answers all these questions, can u pls tell me?

Sorry i have to bother you with this, i have some questions regarding
priorities. i've been playing for a while now, and im not sure if i've
been playing it incorrectly. My questions break down into 4 parts,
normal summon, incorrect(eg:mag sci,metamorph)special summon, correct special summon and special summoning a successfully summoned mosnter.

1st
Exile force, TIV, abyss soldier

now how does thier effect work?? im hoping you can help me out.

ok.....
i summon tiv, and call warrior, and they can chain trap hole, torrent, ring...
ok i get that....

but they said
You declare the Type when you activate the effect and discard for the
cost, not when the effect resolves, so your opponent can chain after
you have announced which Type will be destroyed.

so what if i have BLS, and u declare warrior, then i book of
moon/compulsary evacuation device (CED) it, does that mean tiv's effect
fizzles????? and my monster is saved for the time being?

and also if i summon TIV, and dont do anything, and they play torrent
can i chain his effect to torrent???? or is it a must to use it
immediately???

and for abyss, when i summon him and u play bottomless, or ring, or
torrent, can i bounce abyss to my hand as a chain?

and for exile, bascially the same quesitons, but because he destroys
himself, u cant really ring, trap hole to stop him, ok that makes
sense............

but can u CED ur own monster......??? as a chain to his effect???

but since
EXILED FORCE
You cannot activate the effect of "Exiled Force" if it is the only
monster on the field.

so lets say for eg:
i have a magician, and a sinister serpeant and he uses exile's effect,
and i use CED as a chain to his effect...and pop my magician up, is he
forced to exile my sinister???

Also, can they ask you if u are using priority?
for eg: i summon TIV and they ask me am i using priority, and i said
no, then they play trap hole, can i still discard a card and declare a
type?

ok thats only the NORMAL summon part of the questions...........


my second part of the quesiton
improper Specially summoned monsters

thoudsand eye restrict (TER)
now, if i meta or mag sci him out, does he have the priority to absorb
a monster??

meaning he will definately absorb a monster successfully without being stopped, unless by solemn or horn of heaven.

im assumoing NO, cuz he wasnt "succesffuly" or properly summoned......

and what about ryu senshi??? when mag sci pops him out and i chain
torrent everyone dies but ryu senshi right??? because hes not out
yet??!?!?


and 3rd question, BLS, Chao Emp Drag........mainly BLS
these are succefully special siummoned monsters that met their
requiements, now since they did, they have priority right?? i mean if
they are summoned and u torrent they can out of play a monster as a
chian to your torrent right?? and they can also immediately out of
play ur monster when summoned......now can u comulse ur monster and
save it as a chain to BLS's effect????

and finally special summoned monsters that were successfully summoned
like exile, bls, tiv,abyss

they dont have priority right??
i mean u can ring, book, torrent them and they ahve no proproty to use
their effect?
for eg: you CANT use abyss' bouncing effect if u premat it and it gets
bottomless??

thanks for your time, i hope u can clear this up
im looking forward for a detailed responce, because these rulings are
still somewhat shady and i cant find them on
upperdeckentertainment.com, yugioh-card.com etc....

once agian, thanks...
 
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alright, first and foremost, players have priority, not monsters, Breaker's addition of a spell counter, Tribe, BLS-EotB, etc. are examples of Spell Speed 1 Ignition effects that the turn player has priority to activate.

-chaosruler
 
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I am sorry, im still not too sure....
can u explain more about the player having priority
and what about breaker's counter, can u have priority to have that counter??
 
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Basically, the turn player has priority when he summons a monster or enters a Phase to activate effects. Effect Monster, that don't require specific triggers that cannot be met at the time they are summoned, give the turn player priority to activate it's effect.
 
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i am very sorry to bother you guys again
im sure these quesiotns already have been answered
but is there a site or a link you can give me so i can try to understand?
thanks
 
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The important thing to remember is whe you summon something like Tribe-Infecting Virus or Magical Scientist you have priority to activate and pay for thier effect. However your opponent now has his opportunity to respond to the summon with Trap Hole or Offerings to the Doomed. You still get the effect (once) and your monster gets detroyed. It would be different if the summon were negated, as there are a few cards that do this, but once the monster is succesfully summoned the turn player has priority to activate the effect (unless it was something like Injection Fairy Lily which can only be activated during the Damage Step) and then your opponent has the chance to respond, either to the effect (a chain) or to the summon (a responce.)
 
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ok what digital jedi said makes sense
so when i use prorrioty to get the counter on breaker, i cant use it though right?
if he rings it or something?
also when he rings would it be 1900 or 1600 if i used priority to use his effect

so i also assume that TER has priority to absorb


i guess the confusion is, you are replying with yes turn player has priority, but im asking what does that priority allow u to do?
 
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also when lets say ur TIV stays on more than one turn

then ur 2nd turn using him, then u declare another tpye, can that repsonding player chain BoM or RoD?? to stop the effect?
 
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mikoal said:
ok what digital jedi said makes sense
so when i use prorrioty to get the counter on breaker, i cant use it though right?
if he rings it or something?
also when he rings would it be 1900 or 1600 if i used priority to use his effect

so i also assume that TER has priority to absorb


i guess the confusion is, you are replying with yes turn player has priority, but im asking what does that priority allow u to do?
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Your right on Breaker's effect. The turn player has priority to use his effect and place a counter on him. But he can't remove the counter because gaining the counter was the first prioritiezed action he could take upon summoning. Now the opponent get a chance to respond.

In actuality I have been stating what priority allows you to do. Priority makes you (the turn player) the first person who can play effects each time you enter a Phase. It also gives you (the turn player) the chance to activate a monster 's effect BEFORE your opponent can respond. In all cases you can choose to pass o your priority. But that is essentially all it does. (Which is quite a bit, when you think about it.)
 
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turn player has priority not the monsters.

turn player can activate spell speed 1 or 2 effect before the opponent. the summon breaks down in i belive 5 steps. you may want to enter the rules and regulations about priority.

we try to get as much clearer as possible.

best way to figure out somewhat how priority works is by reading over the VS System rule book, it shows how to use innitiative though they both dont funktion 100% the same way, they are a bit similar.
 
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Digital Jedi said:
Your right on Breaker's effect. The turn player has priority to use his effect and place a counter on him......
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Careful there, turn player has the right to activate Breaker the Magical Warrior's effect, that doesn't mean the counter will be placed, after activation priority passes to the non-turn player, if non-turn player has no response and neither does turn player THEN the counter gets placed on Breaker the Magical Warrior.

The placement of the counter is not automatic, it is resolution, not part of activation.
 
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I have a queston to breakers effect. must breaker be face up on the field for his effect to resolve. if he is ringed when he already has a counter and declares to use the effect. say on a s/t card other than the soon to activated ring. does the trap/spell get destroyed?
 
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Priority has nothing to do with Breaker.

The counter placement is a Trigger and completely forfeits any use of Priority, or in otherwords the Turn Player's right to activate first.

It automatically activates when he is successfully Normal Summoned and automatically passes to the opponent.
 
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maestro satori said:
I have a queston to breakers effect. must breaker be face up on the field for his effect to resolve. if he is ringed when he already has a counter and declares to use the effect. say on a s/t card other than the soon to activated ring. does the trap/spell get destroyed?
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Yes, if you activate Breaker's effect by removing the counter, the target Spell or Trap Card will still be destroyed even if he is destroyed before his effect resolves.

Hope that helps
 
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Breaker the Magical Warrior's counter cannot be chained to the activation of Ring of Destruction, as it is a Spell Speed 1. But you can chain Ring to a Spell Counter being removed from Breaker and still inflict damage. However it will only inflict his original ATK (1600) as the removal of the Spell Counter is a cost and tecnically takes place before Ring resolves.

EDIT: Of course, we are presuming here that Breaker only had one Spell Counter.
 
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In other words, effect that trigger or activate, will use your chance of Priority.

Player1 controls 1 face-up Cannon Soldier, 1 face-down monster
Player2 controls 1 face-down Spell/Trap card

Player1: tributes the face-down monster for Mobius the Frost Monarch, and "chooses" to "activate" the effect of Mobius the Frost Monarch
Player2: responds with Torrential Tribute
Resolve chains/steps.....

Effects like these uses a Player's priority, normally you would be able to activate Cannon Soldier, tributing a monster, but activating Mobius the Frost Monarch's effect, you've lost Priority. You've already activated an effect that will go on a chain.
 
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Digital Jedi said:
It also gives you (the turn player) the chance to activate a monster 's effect BEFORE your opponent can respond.
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so basically since they cant respond, they cant stop it unless they negate the summon.
So if u call priority with BLS,TIV,EXILE,TER those are all ignition effects and their effect will occur no matter what (unless negated summon), then the non turn player can chain a trap hole, ring, etc to the monster.....

so if u call priority and add a counter on breaker, doesnt he automatically have 1900?? that cant be responded to...


also since they are spell speed 1, once the priority is gone eg: the 2nd turn that monster is on the field, then technically you can chain to the monster's effect, eg: TIV declares warrior, and non turn player can BoM it.
or BLS tries to out of play a monster, you can compulsary evacuation device it, then BLS's effect would fizzle...
this is assuming the monster has survived a turn, thus relinquishing their priority.

and in that case, since these ignition effects are spell speed one, and the turn player chooses not to use the priority, then non turn player plays torrential tribute, the turn player can no longer use its effect, because a trap is spell speed 2 is that correct??

another clarification, if u were to delcare priority with TER, so no matter what it gets to absorb a monster? unless summon is negated??
 
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