Monster Priorites

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mikoal

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If any of u know where to find a link which answers all these questions, can u pls tell me?

Sorry i have to bother you with this, i have some questions regarding
priorities. i've been playing for a while now, and im not sure if i've
been playing it incorrectly. My questions break down into 4 parts,
normal summon, incorrect(eg:mag sci,metamorph)special summon, correct special summon and special summoning a successfully summoned mosnter.

1st
Exile force, TIV, abyss soldier

now how does thier effect work?? im hoping you can help me out.

ok.....
i summon tiv, and call warrior, and they can chain trap hole, torrent, ring...
ok i get that....

but they said
You declare the Type when you activate the effect and discard for the
cost, not when the effect resolves, so your opponent can chain after
you have announced which Type will be destroyed.

so what if i have BLS, and u declare warrior, then i book of
moon/compulsary evacuation device (CED) it, does that mean tiv's effect
fizzles????? and my monster is saved for the time being?

and also if i summon TIV, and dont do anything, and they play torrent
can i chain his effect to torrent???? or is it a must to use it
immediately???

and for abyss, when i summon him and u play bottomless, or ring, or
torrent, can i bounce abyss to my hand as a chain?

and for exile, bascially the same quesitons, but because he destroys
himself, u cant really ring, trap hole to stop him, ok that makes
sense............

but can u CED ur own monster......??? as a chain to his effect???

but since
EXILED FORCE
You cannot activate the effect of "Exiled Force" if it is the only
monster on the field.

so lets say for eg:
i have a magician, and a sinister serpeant and he uses exile's effect,
and i use CED as a chain to his effect...and pop my magician up, is he
forced to exile my sinister???

Also, can they ask you if u are using priority?
for eg: i summon TIV and they ask me am i using priority, and i said
no, then they play trap hole, can i still discard a card and declare a
type?

ok thats only the NORMAL summon part of the questions...........


my second part of the quesiton
improper Specially summoned monsters

thoudsand eye restrict (TER)
now, if i meta or mag sci him out, does he have the priority to absorb
a monster??

meaning he will definately absorb a monster successfully without being stopped, unless by solemn or horn of heaven.

im assumoing NO, cuz he wasnt "succesffuly" or properly summoned......

and what about ryu senshi??? when mag sci pops him out and i chain
torrent everyone dies but ryu senshi right??? because hes not out
yet??!?!?


and 3rd question, BLS, Chao Emp Drag........mainly BLS
these are succefully special siummoned monsters that met their
requiements, now since they did, they have priority right?? i mean if
they are summoned and u torrent they can out of play a monster as a
chian to your torrent right?? and they can also immediately out of
play ur monster when summoned......now can u comulse ur monster and
save it as a chain to BLS's effect????

and finally special summoned monsters that were successfully summoned
like exile, bls, tiv,abyss

they dont have priority right??
i mean u can ring, book, torrent them and they ahve no proproty to use
their effect?
for eg: you CANT use abyss' bouncing effect if u premat it and it gets
bottomless??

thanks for your time, i hope u can clear this up
im looking forward for a detailed responce, because these rulings are
still somewhat shady and i cant find them on
upperdeckentertainment.com, yugioh-card.com etc....

once agian, thanks...
 
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mikoal said:
but thanks for all the replies Strike Ninja and everyone else....
i guess its pretty simple to understand, treat the priority of the player using that monster as any other magic or trap card that can be chained to....
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No, no, no. Priority is not chainable, its the effect of a card that is chainable to. Priority just gives the turn player the ability to activate an effect first. The effect does not even have to be the effect of a monster summoned that turn. It could be another monster already on the field, or a spell or trap card activated that turn.

For example, player A has a TIV on the field and summons an Exiled Force. Player A has priority to activate either one of his monster's effect. He chooses to activate TIV's effect and then player B now has the opportunity to respond to either Exiled Force's summons or TIV's effect.

Priority is just the order by which can happen. Someone has to be first. It is always the turn player that is first. During each phase he can activate an effect first, whether it is an optional effect like TIV's, or an automatic effect like Breaker's. Once an effect is activated on his side of the field, or he chooses to pass that chance, the non-turn player can now activate the effect of a card that is allowed during that phase.

If you really want to simplify it, think of priority as a game of tag. The turn player is "IT" until he tags the non-turn player. Once he tags the non-turn player, that player is until until he tags the turn player back. A tag is either an effect activated, or declining to activate an effect.
 
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chaosruler said:
Strike Ninja - even if you choose to nuke 0 s/ts, Mobius' effect is stil considered activated, so you can Divine Wrath it....

-chaosruler
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No, Mobius' effect is optional. If you choose not to activate his effect, there is nothing for your opponent to chain Divine Wrath to. Of course, you have now passed up the opportunity to use Mobius' effect.
 
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You still retain Priority, or the right to activate first if you choose not to activate Mobius' effect.

Also, lets understand guys that there is no, and far from, an "Official" ruling on Priority.

I, for one, do not believe it is this game of "tag", that is a Magic/Vs. way of thinking that the "Magic" guys a UDE want you to believe.

Priority is simply the right to activate first, plain and simple. The rest is simply regular rules of chaining.
 
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Mikoal, let me try to clarfy a couple of misconceptions you have wtih regards to priority. Priority is not something you can chain to. You can chain to effects and effects only. You respond to summons, draws, anything that is not a card effect. You cannot chain to an event, only a card effect. Piority is niether an event, nor an effect.

Another misconception your having is that priority does not make card like Tribe-Infecting Virus or Exiled Force weak. It actually makes them stronger. It makes your turn stronger. As I said earlier, it depends on the card effects involved as to whether the effect will go through. For example:
  • You Normal Summon Exiled Force. Your intent is to destroy a pesky little Jinzo equipped with an Amplifier (which means his traps are not being negated by Jinzo) on your opponent's side of the field.
  • Your opponent asks (or at least should ask you) "Are you going to use his effect?"
  • You say "yes" and tribute Exiled Force targeting Jinzo
  • Your opponent can now respond to one of two things: The Summon (a responce) or the effect [a chain to Exiled's effect)
This is what priorty gave you: The priority to activate Exiled Force's effect BEFORE your opponent could respond to th Summon. But since priority allowed you to activate an effect first he can decide if he wan't to chain to the effect. As I said before, the chain will now resolve backward with the last card played just as in any other chain.

Lets say he chained Compulsory Evacuation Device (There is really no point in activating something like Trap Hole because Exiled is no longer on the field now, technically) He cant target Exiled Force with Compulsory because Exiled is in the Graveyard now, but he can chain to the effect of Exiled targeting one of your other monsters. Resolving the chain backwards
He could however decide to taget his own Jinzo with Compulsory.
You can actually answer many of the questions you've asked yourself, simply by resolving the effects in the chain in your head. If you chain Book of Moon to Tribe infecting virus. Resolve the two effects backwards in your mind, keeping the cards actual effects and requirments in mind, maybe even referencing the rulings, and resolve them backwards in your head. Trap Hole vs Tribe Infecting Virus. Trap Hole vs Exiled Force. etc.

That said, a few things in this game don't make sense from a mechanical point of view and that largley has to do with the mistranslations and poorly spelled-out card texts of the game. But for the most part you can reason on how these card effects resolve on your own. But it's always good to keep asking questions and to reference the Netrepâ„¢ Card Registry rulings ( they mirror the official rulings and easier to access) as often as possible.

Also the Judges List is available here on this forum and the replies from Kevin, Curtis and Steve are considered official. Use the search feature for finding a specific card ruling.

It's also important to remember, like Novastar said, that priority is not a clearly defined issue just yet. It's simply a term determining who gets to activate effect first on their turn.
 
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novastar said:
You still retain Priority, or the right to activate first if you choose not to activate Mobius' effect.

Also, lets understand guys that there is no, and far from, an "Official" ruling on Priority.

I, for one, do not believe it is this game of "tag", that is a Magic/Vs. way of thinking that the "Magic" guys a UDE want you to believe.

Priority is simply the right to activate first, plain and simple. The rest is simply regular rules of chaining.
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I don't play magic or vs. so I wouldn't know one way or another how they work.

I didn't say you lost priority if you didn't choose to activate Mobius' effect, simply that his effect was optional and your opp couldn't activate Divine Wrath if you chose not to use Mobius' effect.

It is not simply chaining. For instance, you cannot chain to a summons. You can respond to a summons if you opponent has passed priority to you either by activating a card's effect, or choosing not to activate a card's effect. Once an card's effect has been activated, then you get into the normal chaining rules.

This is also the case when a player chooses to end the phase they are in. They have chosen not to activate any more cards during that phase. Therefore, their opponent now has priority to choose to activate a card's effect before that phase ends. You are not chaining to a phase ending, you are using the priority passed to you during that phase. If you choose not to use that priority, then the phase ends and the turn player has priority once again.
 
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papewaio said:
I don't play magic or vs. so I wouldn't know one way or another how they work.

I didn't say you lost priority if you didn't choose to activate Mobius' effect, simply that his effect was optional and your opp couldn't activate Divine Wrath if you chose not to use Mobius' effect.

It is not simply chaining. For instance, you cannot chain to a summons. You can respond to a summons if you opponent has passed priority to you either by activating a card's effect, or choosing not to activate a card's effect. Once an card's effect has been activated, then you get into the normal chaining rules.

This is also the case when a player chooses to end the phase they are in. They have chosen not to activate any more cards during that phase. Therefore, their opponent now has priority to choose to activate a card's effect before that phase ends. You are not chaining to a phase ending, you are using the priority passed to you during that phase. If you choose not to use that priority, then the phase ends and the turn player has priority once again.
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I think what Novastar meant is that there is no passing of priority around as your last statement suggests. You have priority only as the turn player. Your opponent never recieves priority to activate anything on your turn. Prority determines who gets to go first. So if I choose not activate the effect of a newly summoned monster I still retain priority to activate a different effect. Say, the Tribe I had on the fields for the last three turns. Or the set Torrential Tribute I've had out there for two turns. The non-turnplayer never gets passed priority.
 
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Digital Jedi said:
I think what Novastar meant is that there is no passing of priority around as your last statement suggests. You have piority only as the turn player. Your opponent neer recieves priority to activate anything on your turn. Prority determins who gets to go first. So if I choose not activate the effect of a newly summoned monster I still retain priority to activate a different effect. Say, the Tribe I had on the fields for the last three turns. Or the set Torrential Tribute I've had out there for two turns. The non-turnplayer never gets passed priority.
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I see where you are going now. To get back to the "IT" idea. Priority only designates the turn player as "IT" (after all someone has to be "IT" first). Once they tag the non-turn player, the non-turn player can activate, respond, etc., then tag the turn player back again. I know this is simplifying things alot, but sometimes simple is good.

It is similar to chaining, but it is not the same as chaining.
 
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In the VS System the player with the initiative gets priority to build his chain first then the non-initiative player gets to decide what to chain to as the chain resolves. YGO's chaining system is a little more complicated in that that events are unchainable. I sometimes wonder how complicated it would be if this paticular "mechanic", for lack of a better term, could be changed and made chainable. I haven't really thought it out yet, but I wonder what kind of can of worms it would open if they did.
 
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papewaio said:
I see where you are going now. To get back to the "IT" idea. Priority only designates the turn player as "IT" (after all someone has to be "IT" first). Once they tag the non-turn player, the non-turn player can activate, respond, etc., then tag the turn player back again. I know this is simplifying things alot, but sometimes simple is good.

It is similar to chaining, but it is not the same as chaining.
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I'm sorry about that, i'm not actually saying that your "tag" concept is out to lunch or anything.

DJ basically explained what i meant, and you are on the right track here. I don't see Priority as this "token" that gets passed back and forth. It is more like Initiative or "IT" idea you are refering to, it's your turn, so you always get first dibbs.

The idea is that in YGO you either Chain or Pass, which is very different from the "Priority" concept of games like Magic or Vs. where you actually retain control over Priority until you relinquish it. YGO forces you to make a decision while you are chaining, that to me is not the same as Priority. That, for lack of a better term, is simply "Chaining"

When you chain with an effect in YGO you are not really "tagging" the other person, the game itself automatically calls for the opponent to either Chain or Pass.

It is alot more automatic in YGO.
 
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Digital Jedi said:
In the VS System the player with the initiative gets priority to build his chain first then the non-initiative player gets to decide what to chain to as the chain resolves. YGO's chaining system is a little more complicated in that that events are unchainable. I sometimes wonder how complicated it would be if this paticular "mechanic", for lack of a better term, could be changed and made chainable. I haven't really thought it out yet, but I wonder what kind of can of worms it would open if they did.
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Actually it would be quite easy.

We already have an activation window for Horn/SJ to negate the summon, you would simply place the chain point in there. Special Summons from hand such as Dark Necro etc. already have effects that could easily be changed to be chainable.

The setup is there, they just decided not to do it, for whatever reason, which frankly is beyond me.
 
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chaosruler said:
Strike Ninja - even if you choose to nuke 0 s/ts, Mobius' effect is stil considered activated, so you can Divine Wrath it....

-chaosruler
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Not entirely true, you can choose not to activate it, so your opponent has no chance to Divine Wrath it. The effect is optional, so if you choose not to, Divine Wrath cannot be chained to the activation of the effect, because there is no effect.
 
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mikoal said:
ok what if u activate exile's effect
then non turn player responds with a Book of Moon?

so book occurs first
and exiel is face down, does that mean the effect does not go through?
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You must Tribute Exiled Force in order to activate it's effect. It's the cost. Book of Moon cannot target a monster that isn't there...
 
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Your opponent can chain Book of Moon to Exiled Forces effect, but he cannot target Exiled Force with Book's effect. The reason for this is because Exiled is already in the Graveyard (as tributing is a cost for the effect and happens first, even though the chain resolves backwards) and thier is nothing for Book to target. He could however target the monster your Exiled is targeting, but this will do nothing to save his monster because Exiled doesn't require the monster it's destroying to be face-up.

"Tribute this face-up card. Destroy 1 monster on the field."

Doesn't say anything about the monster it's destroying being face-up or face-down.
 
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