MST // Call of the Haunted // Torrential Tribute

[soulwarrior]

Hi,

there was a situation at an event quite some weeks ago that gave me a headache at first.
Maybe we could clear this up in order to help the rest of us when they ever face this situation... ^^

Player A has a Sinister in his Graveyard. It can't return, 'cause it was destroyed by a Dark Balter.

Player B activates a Mystical Space Typhoon targeting a face-down Spell or Trap Card of Player A.

Player A chains the face-down card, it's a Call of the Haunted and he targets his Sinister Serpent (in order to reset it so it's able to return again).

Resolution:

-> The CotH brings the Sinister back on the field (so it's resetted and can return with it's own effect again)
-> The MST destroys the CotH, so the Sinister find's its way back to the Grave

Now, after the complete resolution of this chain, Player B activated a Torrential Tribute.
What was absolutely clear to me was that he was right in not chaining the TT to the Call (Player A argued with me and stated that you have to chain it to Call).

But I wasn't sure if the Player had missed the timing for the Torrential, since the monster is already back in the Grave and the last thing that happened was that a chain was resolved...
And not the summon of a monster, which is the corrent event in order to activate a TT.

Then I came up with this thought:
IF it would be a timing issue, you could activate some Spell Card and chain the Call.
Since the monster ist summoned and THEN the Spell Card is resolved, the last thing to happen is NOT the summon of the monster.
So you would ALWAYS miss the timing for a Torrential, if you chain it to some other effect...

Which just has to be wrong (the Call would IMO be a lot better if this would be the case)....

So it must be possible to activate the TT as a response to the summon at the first time you're able to activate it...
and that's just immediately after the resolution of the Chain with the MST and the CotH, so Player B did absolutely right.

Everything right or am I missing something???

soul

 

[densetsu_x]

No, the timing would be missed since the last thing to occur was not the summoning happening, but MST resolving. It would be why if you MST'ed a card and they chained it (it was Call of the Haunted) and they targeted a "Dark Magician of Chaos", yeah he's summoned but you miss getting his effect since it wasn't the last thing to happen. The window for responding to the summon already passed as the chain finished resolving.

 

[soulwarrior]

Hmm... OK..
but doesn't that mean that you could activate ANY Spell Card and chain the Call of the Haunted to it???

Then the opponent ALWAYS misses the timing for his Torrential Tribute??? ?(

soul

 

[Blue-Eyes Black]

Hmm... OK..
but doesn't that mean that you could activate ANY Spell Card and chain the Call of the Haunted to it???

Then the opponent ALWAYS misses the timing for his Torrential Tribute??? ?(

soul

And you have learned a strategy.

Let's say you have a Spell Canceller in your Graveyard. Your opponent activates Harpie's Feather Duster to destroy your face-down Spell/Trap Card(s). Luckily for you, one of your face-down cards is Call of the Haunted. Unluckily enough for them, they have a Set Torrential Tribute they can't use since they'll miss the Summon.

Chain Link 1: Harpie's Feather Duster
Chain Link 2: Call of the Haunted

Resolve in Reverse.

Chain Link 2: Call of the Haunted now Special Summons your Spell Canceller. Like its predecessor (Jinzo), his effect activates immediately to negate Harpie's Feather Duster.

Chain Link 1: Harpie's Feather Duster is negated by Magic Caneller's effect.

Then you could Tribute him to Normal Summon your Jinzo. Again, your opponent cannot use Torrential Tribute since Jinzo will have been successfully Normal Summoned (opponent doesn't have/won't activate Horn of Heaven or Solemn Judgment) and at that point no Trap Cards can be activated.

 

[1nv4d3r]

I got a doubt. Let's say Player A attacks Player B with Slate Warrior. Then in response to the attack, Player A activates Return from the Different Dimension to special summon some monsters (let's say summoned skull and lesser fiend). Player B had a Torrential Tribute set some turns before. Would Player B be able to active TT in response to the activation of RFDD, or to the summoning of monsters?...or he couldn't?

 

[densetsu_x]

In this case he would. Remember the attack was just declared, it hasn't gone through to the Damage Step yet (since if it had, "Return from the Different Dimension" could not be activated). As such, Player B can start a new chain and activate "Torrential Tribute" to destroy the field after RftDD had resolved.

 

[1nv4d3r]

I see, but I don't get the idea exactly of losing the timing of torrential tribute. According to my example, if my opponent had first activated MST, then I had chained RFDD, then he wouldn't be able to activate TT?

BTW, what you said about DMoC (densetsu_x) are you sure it work that way?
Ex: a: activate MST
b: chain CoH to get back DMoC
Resolution:

DMoC gets on the field (you get your free magic) and then it's destroyed.

Maybe I'm wrong, I just want clear this up

 

[spotsknight]

DMOC does come to the field but since his effect is optional him being summoned must be the LAST thing to resolve on the chain. Since MST resolves last then it is too late to use the optional effect to get a spell back.

Spot's Knight

 

[Blue-Eyes Black]

I see, but I don't get the idea exactly of losing the timing of torrential tribute. According to my example, if my opponent had first activated MST, then I had chained RFDD, then he wouldn't be able to activate TT?

Correct. This is because Special Summoning was not the very last "fact" to happen in the chain. The very last "fact" would be Mystical Space Typhoon resolving.