Multi-trigger effects and Charm of Shabti

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EAMetheny

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During battle phase, my opponent targets a card with Gravekeeper's in it name, and I respond by discarding Charm of Shabti from my hand.  Since this is a multi-trigger card, it hits the field with a spell speed of 2.  I assume that that this is the first card in a potential chain.  Then my opponent could continue the chain from this point?  Does anybody know of any cards that could negate the effect of Charm of Shabti?

On another note, I would like a primer on multi-trigger effects.  How can you determine if a card is a multi-trigger.  I would like to see some good examples of multi-trigger cards in use.  Can somebody point me to a good resource.

Thanks :)

EAMetheny
 
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There isnt really any card that negates things from the hand directly to the graveyard. Im pretty sure you could chain to it but to chain to it has to be either a trap or a quick play spell but I dont think it will matter since it wont negate it. Its like chaining to kuriboh...
 
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Basically a Mulit-Trigger Effect is an effect that can be activated even if its your opponents turn.  

Monster Cards like Peguin Soldier, Strike Ninja, are Mulit-Trigger.

I would also wonder if "Banisher of the Light" would prevent Charm of Shabti from going to the Graveyard, thus negating Shabti's effect...
 
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masterwoo0 said:
Basically a Mulit-Trigger Effect is an effect that can be activated even if its your opponents turn.

Monster Cards like Peguin Soldier, Strike Ninja, are Mulit-Trigger.

I would also wonder if "Banisher of the Light" would prevent Charm of Shabti from going to the Graveyard, thus negating Shabti's effect...
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I think you ment "Penguin Knight" (as "Pengiun Soldier" is a FLIP-effect monster).

Also, since "Charm of Shabi" specifically mentions it must be discarded to the graveyard, then "Banisher of the Light" would prevent it from even being activated (since it would be "discarded out of play").

- Andrew
 
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densetsu_x said:
masterwoo0 said:
Basically a Mulit-Trigger Effect is an effect that can be activated even if its your opponents turn. 

Monster Cards like Peguin Soldier, Strike Ninja, are Mulit-Trigger.

I would also wonder if "Banisher of the Light" would prevent Charm of Shabti from going to the Graveyard, thus negating Shabti's effect...
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I think you ment "Penguin Knight" (as "Pengiun Soldier" is a FLIP-effect monster).



Also, since "Charm of Shabi" specifically mentions it must be discarded to the graveyard, then "Banisher of the Light" would prevent it from even being activated (since it would be "discarded out of play").

- Andrew
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i beg to differ

the cost to activate "charm of shabti" is discard it

this is why "end of anubis" cannot negate its efct as in regards of a recent comunication of bishop in judge boards

it is not a grave efct

as such ,"banisher of light" would not prevent its efct

woltarr
 
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Charm of Shabti
Effect Monster (Rock / EARTH / 1 Star / ATK 100 / DEF 100)

Discard this card from your hand to the Graveyard to make the damage inflicted to monsters that include "Gravekeeper's" in their card name 0 until the End Phase of the current turn. However, the damage to your Life Points is calculated normally.


If "Banisher of the Light" is on the field, then "Charm of Shabti" cannot be discarded to the Graveyard. Since the card specifically that it must be discarded from the hand to the Graveyard to get the effect, "Banisher of the Light" will cause "Charm of Shabti" to be removed from play if it is discarded.

- Andrew
 
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Correct I use GK's... and Charm. Charm specifically states it has to go to the graveyard for the effect. A good fairy control deck with Banisher would stop that cold. (or DD Deck)
 
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Woltarr is right. It's not a graveyard effect.

Also, Penguin Knight is a triggered effect. Speed 1.

List of Multi-trigger monsters (current up to Dark Crisis, at least):
Electric Mashin - Sanga (e. Sanga of the Thunder (should've been Raijin))
Wind Mashin - Hyuga (e. Kazejin)
Water Mashin - Suuga (e. Suijin)
Magic Absorber (e. Maryokutai)
Injection Angel Lily (e. Injection Fairy Lily)
Swift Black Ninja (e. Strike Ninja)
Dragon Warrior (e. Ryu Senshi)
Demon: Dark Baltar (e. Dark Balter the Terrible)
Super Magic Swordsman - Black Paladin (e. Dark Paladin)
Kuribo (e. Kuriboh)
Shabti's Charm (e. Charm of Shabti)
Gravekeeper's Observer (e. Gravekeeper's Watcher)
Death Rook Demon (e. Desrook Archfiend)
Black Flame Dragon of Horus LV8 (e. Horus the Black Flame Dragon LV8)
Magic Hierophant of Black (e. Sorcerer of Black Magic)
Blue Eyes Shining Dragon (e. Blue Eyes Shining Dragon)

Other player-activated effects are spell speed 1, meaning that:
1) They can only be activated during a main phase unless specified otherwise.
2) They can only be activated during your turn.
3) They can't chain.

Examples of cards that are NOT multi-trigger:
Chaos Emperor Dragon
D.D. Warrior Lady
Exiled Force
Karate Man
Thunder Dragon
Tribe-Infecting Virus
 
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I'm sorry, but he's not right.

There is no text errata on the card. The text specifically says that the card needs to be discarded from the hand to the graveyard in order to make the damage inflicted to "Gravekeepers" monsters 0. The effect may be multi-trigger, but with the condition that "Banisher of the Light" is on the field, the card cannot be discarded from the hand to the graveyard. Therefore, the effect can't be activated.

"Kuriboh" has been errata-ed to say that it just needs to be discarded so its effect activates regardless if it is discarded to the graveyard or to "removed from play".

- Andrew
 
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Raijinili said:
And I've played the trump card: Japanese text.
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That's nice but out here in the US all we have to go on is the English text printed on the card. So until there is an errata on it or until UDE makes an update to their FAQ about it (which is unlikely since they just did the massive errata and Kevin just did the PGD FAQ update and in both cases there's no mention that the text is "wrong") the only thing we can go by is what's printed. Since what is printed states that it must be discarded from the hand to the graveyard, that's the ruling. And if "Banisher of the Light" is on the field, it can't be discarded to the graveyard.

Now, should there be a change to match the ruling for "Kuriboh"? Probably to make it consistant, but I don't have an issue with the way it is since this way I don't have remember something else that's been errata-ed as well.

- A
 
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