One more thought on Macros Cosmos

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HorusMaster

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Just wanted to know- do you only remove monsters from play that would normally go to the graveyard or is EVERY card removed from play? Curious about how it plays out given the card text does not specify only monsters.
 
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the card is preaty straight forward, i know your thinking, "Since when is UDE/Konami Straight Forward???!?!?!" well it seems recently with these new sets and venturing into Series 5 they have started to actually make cards that make sence in their wording and are actaully straight forward.

atleast their trying right?
 
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Kyhotae said:
All the monster cards that are removed from play. Yours and the opponents.
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But Macros removes from play ALL cards that would be sent to the graveyard and Helios ATK/DEF states increase by the # of cards removed from play. Why would it only increase by "monster" cards?
 
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HorusMaster said:
But Macros removes from play ALL cards that would be sent to the graveyard and Helios ATK/DEF states increase by the # of cards removed from play. Why would it only increase by "monster" cards?
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Helios - The Primordial Sun
Effect Monster (Pyro / LIGHT / 4 Stars / ATK ? / DEF ?)
The ATK and DEF of this card become the number of monsters that are removed from play x 100 points.


Helios Duo Megistus
Effect Monster (Pyro / LIGHT / 6 Stars / ATK ? / DEF ?)
This card can be Special Summoned by Tributing 1 "Helios - The Primordial Sun" on your side of the field. The ATK and DEF of this card become the number of monsters that are removed from play x 200 points. If this card is destroyed as a result of battle and sent to the Graveyard, this card will be Special Summoned during the End Phase, increasing the ATK and DEF by 300 points.
 
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HorusMaster said:
But Macros removes from play ALL cards that would be sent to the graveyard and Helios ATK/DEF states increase by the # of cards removed from play. Why would it only increase by "monster" cards?
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Because, as my fellow poster has so graciously displayed, that's the effect. "Golden Homunculus" is similar to what you're thinking. He gets 300 ATK boost for each of YOUR cards (monster or otherwise) that are removed from play.
 
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Kyhotae said:
Because, as my fellow poster has so graciously displayed, that's the effect. "Golden Homunculus" is similar to what you're thinking. He gets 300 ATK boost for each of YOUR cards (monster or otherwise) that are removed from play.
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You're right, I was thinking of Golden Homunculus and ALL cards removed from play. Thanks.
 
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Here's a question.

Macros is out on the foe's field. I use Book of moon to flip the foe's DDS face-down. ANd then I attack the face-down DDS and destroy it as a result of battle? Does DDS come back? (I mean, it's "flipped" before being destroyed... so don't know if DDS effect activates with Macros on the field)
 
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drzero7 said:
Does DDS come back? (I mean, it's "flipped" before being destroyed... so don't know if DDS effect activates with Macros on the field)
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it should, if it doesn't theres something seriously wrong!!!
 
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it does since it is legally flipped up. the only way for it not to is if it died face down. in which case it would be any of the Sasuke Samurai 1 effect creatures.

MSlv2, 4, 6, and so on etc...

in which case they just die without flip if they flip then they will return. its like having a unstopable 200 defense wall that keeps returning.
 
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krazykidpsx said:
it does since it is legally flipped up. the only way for it not to is if it died face down. in which case it would be any of the Sasuke Samurai 1 effect creatures.

MSlv2, 4, 6, and so on etc...

in which case they just die without flip if they flip then they will return. its like having a unstopable 200 defense wall that keeps returning.
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You have a choice with Mystic Swordsman LV6. It can return the destroyed card to top of Deck instead of going to Graveyard, and would bypass Macro Cosmos' effect, so I usually refrain from using anything past LV4 when explaining destroyed cards going to the Graveyard, as his effect is optional, and the others are not.
 
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How do you know "D.D. Survivor" will not be ruled like "Fox Fire"? "Fox Fire" must be face-up on the Field before battle is declared to activate its effect.

doc
 
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masterwoo0 said:
You have a choice with Mystic Swordsman LV6. It can return the destroyed card to top of Deck instead of going to Graveyard, and would bypass Macro Cosmos' effect, so I usually refrain from using anything past LV4 when explaining destroyed cards going to the Graveyard, as his effect is optional, and the others are not.
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Why the need to make life difficult? We understand that its optional, but there is that choice if you want the creature to go to the grave instead. If it suppose to go to the grave then you know it would get removed from play face down.so only the owner would know what card it is or isnt.

there is absolutly no need to confuse anybody.

Fox Fire is different than D. D. Survivor. and even if it were face up, unlike D. D. Survivor which will return fox fire will remain out of play. again there is no need to confuse anybody, Konami has lately started to get more punctual with the way they are making their cards. but people are still stuck on knowing every single rule for every single card its getting rediculous, If you belive that I maybe wrong about D.D. Survivor hope on the judgelist and post up and argument why or why not. and so on and so forth. I dont care if im wrong. I prefer to be wrong than be confused.
 
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krazykidpsx said:
Why the need to make life difficult? We understand that its optional, but there is that choice if you want the creature to go to the grave instead. If it suppose to go to the grave then you know it would get removed from play face down.so only the owner would know what card it is or isnt.

there is absolutly no need to confuse anybody.

Fox Fire is different than D. D. Survivor. and even if it were face up, unlike D. D. Survivor which will return fox fire will remain out of play. again there is no need to confuse anybody, Konami has lately started to get more punctual with the way they are making their cards. but people are still stuck on knowing every single rule for every single card its getting rediculous, If you belive that I maybe wrong about D.D. Survivor hope on the judgelist and post up and argument why or why not. and so on and so forth. I dont care if im wrong. I prefer to be wrong than be confused.
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First, I dont understand why you took offense to my stating that Mystic Swordsman LV6 has two effects, and that it is more accurate to mention both, since there are people who ONLY read what they want to read, and would interpret that all Mystic Swordsman send monsters to the Graveyard, when they all don't. That would be like saying Night Assailant only destroys monsters.

It wasnt intended to "confuse" anyone, especially since I dont see how anyone could be confused from what I said, but not everyone has a Mystic Swordsman LV6 to look at his effect, and the number of people that ask questions about cards where the card text is pretty straightforward would indicate that people dont often read it when they do have the card.

Also, no one said you were wrong about D.D. Survivor, so I dont know where you are going with your defensive stance.
 
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Entropy said:
The effects of Fox Fire and D.D. Survivor look too similar. I'd say that they'll be ruled the same way.

Besides, the JERP agrees with me.
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Its not the same.

Fox Fire must already be face-up on the field when he is attacked and destroyed in Battle. That is part of his requirement as read from his text.

D.D. Survivor only has to be sent from the field "face-up" to activate his effect if he is removed from play. The fact that he gets flipped face-up during the Damage Step fulfills that requirement.
 
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I can't read Japanese, so I can't confirm, but I have also heard similar to Entropy that the JERP has ruled that "D.D. Survivor" when attacked face-down and destroyed, will not satisfy its face-up requirement even if removed from play.

Perhaps, someone that reads Japanese can enlighten us.

doc
 
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