Ownership and Graveyard Effects

[Overkill]

Hi.

When a monster that has changed control is destroyed in battle and sent to the graveyard, does the (original) owner of that card still get all the benefits, as the effect is resolving in their graveyard?

(Apologise in advance if this topic has already been covered elsewhere on this forum).

Example 1.
I creature swap my Giant Rat to opponents field and destroy it.
As it's effect resolves in my graveyard, I get to special summon a 1500 or less ATK Earth Monster.
Yes or No?

Example 2.
Nimble Momonger. I Creature Swap it, attack and destroy it.
It's resolving in my graveyard, but was destroyed on the opponents field.
So who gets the life point gain?
And do I still get to special summon up to 2 more Nimbles?

Thanks.

 

[John Danker]

In the two examples you've given the owner get's the effect. Remember that when monsters are destroyed they go to the owner's graveyard, therefore, monster effects that activate in the graveyard activate in their owner's graveyard and the owner gets their effect.

 

[Evil Fiber Jar]

Its the original owner. If Nimble goes to your graveyard then you will get they increase.

 

[jdos]

...monster effects that activate in the graveyard activate in their owner's graveyard and the owner gets their effect.

Not even gonna touch that one...

<closes can of worms>
<walks away silently>

 

[novastar]

LMAO!

John knows...but hey what can we do...

 

[John Danker]

Lets not get into fine details on this one! His examples were answered....we're all getting to be technical Yugioh Geeks aren't we? <laffin> On second thought....Go ahead....drag it out if you must...extrapolate, pick apart, give exceptions to the rule, make this thread 198 posts long and a long and debated topic....why not? We've got the time don't we?

 

[novastar]

I'm not american, but i plead the 5th... lol!

i give up, had enough...finished... I gave enough proof....

 

[John Danker]

Overkill-

You might be wondering what jdos and novastar are referring to....trust me, you don't want to go into it right now, give it about 2 years and then dig your claws in

 

[Digital Jedi]

Actually, Overkil, if you really want to know what thier talking about it isn't hard. Just check out the three thread that seem to linger around the top of this forum every day that are about 300 pages a peice! Then be prepared for your head to explode.

 

[jdos]

....we're all getting to be technical Yugioh Geeks aren't we? <laffin>...

I think The Yugioh GX series is actually a foreshadowing of Konami's plans in real life. At some point, to understand the mechanics of this game, you're going to have to attend an institution dedicated to it. You will no longer be able to become a rules lawyer without a four year degree from an accredited Duelist University. lol.

 

[daivahataka]

I think The Yugioh GX series is actually a foreshadowing of Konami's plans in real life. At some point, to understand the mechanics of this game, you're going to have to attend an institution dedicated to it. You will no longer be able to become a rules lawyer without a four year degree from an accredited Duelist University. lol.

Well I think that, if things do continue to get messed up by new rulings which contradict older ones, understanding the rules will eventually involve spending time in an institution, just not an educational one.

 

[Gimpy']

With all the cryptic beating around the bush a person reading this might be extreamly confused. Let's not make it harder than it is.

Sangan, Witch, the "destroyed and sent to the Graveyard" crowd, Newdoria, and Archfiend Gilfer are all effects the Owner of the card will control.

Vampire Lord is a little different, in that it's effect will always go to the owner, but will only work when it was "your" Vamipre Lord destroyed while on "your" side of the field by your "opponent's" effect. So don't bother Creature Swaping him and then thinking that Lightning Vortex is going to benifit you greatly.

The latest snag in this whole "activate in the Graveyard" thing is Exiled Force. It has long been the practice that when you control your opponent's Exiled Force you were able to use it's effect to your own desires. The "can of worms" here is that Exiled does in fact activate in the Graveyard. It gets tributed off the field as a cost, and then does it's thing from it's new home in the Graveyard. Until I see a ruling show up on the Judges board to say otherwise, I would continue to allow the Exiled effect to go to the player who controled it when it was tributed as a cost, but I'm going to stay open to a new way of ruling IF and when it comes down from on high.

 

[Digital Jedi]

It's not Exiled Force alone that has contributed to the "can of worms" everyone is aluding to. It's many, many new, contradictory things combined with all the old contradictory things that leads us to believe that you would need a primer course on all the effects of YGO that don't function quite the way thier supposed to before you can play the game accuratly. New players are going to get confused, and confused often. It's sad but it's unavoidable.

 

[novastar]

I told myself i wasn't going to do this...

<Begin Rant>
There is no "can of worms" here, this is an example of Kevin making up a ruling that has never been verified with Konami whatsoever and passing it off as "fact" and in turn everyone tries to justify it with erroneous logic, because they are on the Kevin bandwagon.

I for one feel i have been around long enough to tell the diffrence between a real solid properly backed ruling, and a made up quick UDE ruling. There have been many, many countless numbers of rulings that have come and gone in this same fashion.

One current one is The Creator Incarnate ruling. UDE's so-called Official FAQ states the complete opposite to the Official Konami (JPN) FAQ. So who's ruling is correct? Well considering that UDE constantly sings the "Konami makes the rules, so Konami said so" song everytime it gets something wrong, i think its quite clear.

Exiled Force has never been refered to or ruled as any sort of Graveyard activated effect or what have you. It's ridiculous to say the least, and only shows one thing....

If Exiled Force for some reason is a Graveyard activated effect, then UDE is the only one that seems to think so...
</End Rant>

 

[Digital Jedi]

Okay, a preverbial "can of worms" then.

 

[daivahataka]

I told myself i wasn't going to do this...

<Begin Rant>
There is no "SPOON" ...
</End Rant>

Hopefully they get this sorted sharpish, the shear length of time they're taking to get back with answers to the questions posted about this leaves me wondering if they're trying to figure out how to dig their way back out of a hole without getting dirty.