Protector of the Sanctuary vs Ceasefire vs Card Destruction

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Situation #1
If I control a face-down Protector of the Santuary and activate "Card Destruction" and my opponent has Makyura the Destructor as well as Ceasefire and several other cards (we'll say total 6 cards in hand) in hand, is the timing correct for him to activate Ceasefire, and would flipping Protector of the Sanctuary face-up prevent him from drawing the same number of cards that were sent to the Graveyard (minus Ceasefire)?

Situation #2
Same thing as before with Protector. I activate Card Destruction, my opponent chains Ceasefire, thinking I may have Needle Worm face-down, to try and prevent me from sending his last 10 cards in his deck to the Graveyard.

Protector of the Sanctuary is now face-up at resolution of Ceasefire. I'm reasonably sure he will still discard, and not draw, but wanted to see some other opinions.

Situation #3
Same situation, only I chain my own Ceasefire to my Card Destruction. Is Card Destruction legally activated, and my opponent forced to discard without draw, or will the effect Disappear once Protector is face-up from Ceasefire?
 
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masterwoo0 said:
Situation #1
If I control a face-down Protector of the Santuary and activate "Card Destruction" and my opponent has Makyura the Destructor as well as Ceasefire and several other cards (we'll say total 6 cards in hand) in hand, is the timing correct for him to activate Ceasefire, and would flipping Protector of the Sanctuary face-up prevent him from drawing the same number of cards that were sent to the Graveyard (minus Ceasefire)?

Situation #2
Same thing as before with Protector. I activate Card Destruction, my opponent chains Ceasefire, thinking I may have Needle Worm face-down, to try and prevent me from sending his last 10 cards in his deck to the Graveyard.

Protector of the Sanctuary is now face-up at resolution of Ceasefire. I'm reasonably sure he will still discard, and not draw, but wanted to see some other opinions.

Situation #3
Same situation, only I chain my own Ceasefire to my Card Destruction. Is Card Destruction legally activated, and my opponent forced to discard without draw, or will the effect Disappear once Protector is face-up from Ceasefire?
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Ok here we go.

#1. No, the opponent cannot activate the "Ceasefire" card from his hand. He is in the middle of the resolution of another effect ("Card Destruction"). Any traps he draws as a result of "Card Destruction" are fair game after the resolution of "Card Destruction".

#2. Extrapolating from the existing rulings, I would say that your opponent WOULD discard all the cards in their hand, but would NOT be able to draw the replacement cards due to the fact that "Protector of the Sanctuary" is now face-up on the field.

From the UDE FAQ:
"If "Call of the Haunted" is chained to "Reload" to Special Summon "Protector of the Sanctuary", your opponent adds his hand to his Deck and shuffles it, but "Protector of the Sanctuary" prevents him from drawing."

"If "Call of the Haunted" is chained to "Mind Wipe" to Special Summon "Protector of the Sanctuary", your opponent adds his hand to the Deck and shuffles, but cannot draw any cards."

#3. Same as #2.
 
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1: Since "Makyura the Destructor" and "Ceasefire" are both in hand, when you activate "Card Destruction", he would not be able to activate "Ceasefire" at all since "Card Destruction" has to resolve fully first (discard and draw).

2 and 3 though: In both cases "Card Destruction" was legally activated. If "Ceasefire" is chained to that, that resolves first, turning "Protector of the Sanctuary" face up. So when "Card Destruction" resolves, your opponent would be forced to discard but would not be able to draw any further cards. The situation is similar to if you activated "Card Destruction" and chain "Call of the Haunted" and special summon "Protector of the Sanctuary".
 
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masterwoo0 said:
Situation #1
If I control a face-down Protector of the Santuary and activate "Card Destruction" and my opponent has Makyura the Destructor as well as Ceasefire and several other cards (we'll say total 6 cards in hand) in hand, is the timing correct for him to activate Ceasefire, and would flipping Protector of the Sanctuary face-up prevent him from drawing the same number of cards that were sent to the Graveyard (minus Ceasefire)?
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Wouldn't Ceasefire and any other traps be sent at the same time as Makyura, from the discard effect of Card Destruction? I dont see how they can be activated, if they are discarded at the same time. *shrugs and looks for responses from intelligent people*

masterwoo0 said:
Situation #2
Same thing as before with Protector. I activate Card Destruction, my opponent chains Ceasefire, thinking I may have Needle Worm face-down, to try and prevent me from sending his last 10 cards in his deck to the Graveyard.

Protector of the Sanctuary is now face-up at resolution of Ceasefire. I'm reasonably sure he will still discard, and not draw, but wanted to see some other opinions.

Situation #3
Same situation, only I chain my own Ceasefire to my Card Destruction. Is Card Destruction legally activated, and my opponent forced to discard without draw, or will the effect Disappear once Protector is face-up from Ceasefire?
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In both #2 and #3, it sounds similar to if Call of the Haunted were chained to the activation and discard of Card Destruction. Protector would be Special Summoned to the field, (or in this case, flipped face up) and immediately activate, negating the draw.

The conditions for activating Card Destruction were correct at the time, so there doesnt seem to be a case for illegal activation.

Its a go, Thunderwoo0!

*closes eyes and waits for the firing squad*

EDIT: Dang! Digital Jedi was right. You guys are fast with the typing kung fu.
 
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I figured #1 was incorrect timing.

#2 and #3 will definitely be some kind of combo where I will use Needle Worm and Card Destruction to knock out a bunch of my opponents cards. I just wanted to make sure that if my opponent chained to Card Destruction with Ceasefire, I would get something at least.

I may add Desert Sunlight so I can chain to Ceasefire, just in case, since Ceasefire is big in my Meta.
 
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CerezScypher said:
Actually, for 2 and 3, I think Card Destruction's effect will Disappear completely, because the discard and draw are a single effect, like Graceful Charity.

Protector of the Sanctuary

If you chain "Call of the Haunted" to "Graceful Charity", and Special Summon "Protector of the Sanctuary", your opponent's doesn't draw nor discard because they are part of a single effect that is negated by "Protector of the Sanctuary".
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Well, when you look at both effects, you see that the don't resolve the same way.

Your opponent (or you, if it's their Protector) "discards" first for Card Destruction, then draws cards.

For Graceful Charity, your opponent "draws" first, THEN discards without pause.

With Protector of the Sanctuary active, your opponent cannot draw cards, and therefore cannot discard the cards that he cannot draw.

That's one of the reasons I made this post since I really want to get it right, and I don't recall ever seeing anything asked quite like this before.
 
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CerezScypher said:
Actually, for 2 and 3, I think Card Destruction's effect will Disappear completely, because the discard and draw are a single effect, like Graceful Charity.

Protector of the Sanctuary

If you chain "Call of the Haunted" to "Graceful Charity", and Special Summon "Protector of the Sanctuary", your opponent's doesn't draw nor discard because they are part of a single effect that is negated by "Protector of the Sanctuary".
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It's one effect leading into the other. Similarly to the ruling you posted, Card Destruction, if you couldn't discard, wouldn't allow you to draw.
 
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