re:[judge-yu] Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG Website Update!

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QUESTION:
Also, correct me if I am wrong... but isn't the correct order of procedure when
performing a Ritual Summon is to place the Ritual Monster on the field,
THEN Tribute the Monsters, then finally sending the Ritual Spell Card to the
Graveyard? And does this not also apply to Fusion Summons (place the Fusion
Monster on the field, send the Fusion-Material Monsters to the Graveyard, and
then send "Polymerization" to the Graveyard if it is being used).

ANSWER:
You are wrong. This is an excellent example of how everyone should watch this
demo to learn basic game mechanics.

Kevin Tewart
Game Designer
UDE Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG R&D Lead
Upper Deck Entertainment

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And that's what sloppy play has done to the game. So many times you see people putting BLS on the field before they even remove a light and dark.

With a Ritual Spell Card, it's not really any different than using Call of the Haunted, Premature Burial, etc... It still has to go on the chain before you can successfully summon the monster.
 
I don't mean to be insulting, but I'm deeply suprised anyone would think that a Ritual Monster is placed on the field before offering anything as a tribute. He doesn't state when he thinks the Spell Card is being played. But they way he phrases it makes me think he's isn't playing the Spell Card until after placing the monster on the field. Either way, the tributes are a cost and must be payed before a summon could even take place. I guess there is much work to be done in smoothing out misconceptions within the player structure of this game.
 
Yes. Thanks so much Kevin for posting this to prove how valuable the new tool is for people who don't know how to play the game so that they know a fraction more but not enough to actually play the game.

You know with this logic UDE should commission a cute little cartoon for every card in the game to explain the card rulings that we've already got. 1) Kids would understand it better if they got the information in that format. 2) It can be supported because you are always going to have someone who doesn't understand (no matter how well it has been explained) writing in with these stupid questions. And 3) Maybe if we keep putting all of our energy into this trivia and re-answering the simple stuff nobody will notice that we have completely given up on answering the hard questions. And defining the actual game.
 
anthonyj said:
Yes. Thanks so much Kevin for posting this to prove how valuable the new tool is for people who don't know how to play the game so that they know a fraction more but not enough to actually play the game.

You know with this logic UDE should commission a cute little cartoon for every card in the game to explain the card rulings that we've already got. 1) Kids would understand it better if they got the information in that format. 2) It can be supported because you are always going to have someone who doesn't understand (no matter how well it has been explained) writing in with these stupid questions. And 3) Maybe if we keep putting all of our energy into this trivia and re-answering the simple stuff nobody will notice that we have completely given up on answering the hard questions. And defining the actual game.
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Ouch!

Yes ... just ... ouch. No further comments.
 
anthonyj said:
It can be supported because you are always going to have someone who doesn't understand (no matter how well it has been explained) writing in with these stupid questions.
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Uh, and this is from/to the CERTIFIED JUDGE'S list ... not some open list for the kiddies out there who got their cards out of the bubblegum machine at the Golden Corral.

But, come to think of it ... *ponder*
 
They need to update the Rulebook :p

Fusion Deck
A Fusion Deck is a group of Fusion Monster Cards that result
from a successful Fusion. When a Fusion Summon is performed,
Fusion Monsters are not randomly drawn, but selected from the
Fusion Deck. The Fusion Deck should always be kept separate
from the Deck, and placed face-down in the Fusion Deck Zone
of the Game Mat. Remember the cards of Fusion Deck are NOT
counted in the 40 card minimum limit of the Deck.
 
They need to "create" a rulebook!

They need to actually sit down and write a concise and detailed rulebook covering the game and how it is played with the kind of detail we got in the "Damage Step Chart" from Kevin. A bible of the basics if you will. With that firmly set in stone perhaps someone other than ruling board junkies would have an idea of how to play. I can't really blame the individual judge's who post these questions, I'm sure it is absolutely possible to pass the LV1 test without having a firm enough understanding of the game to prevent this. There is no way that you can learn to play a round of yugioh using the cards typically used in today's meta from www.yugioh-card.com without outside information sources.

For whatever reason we currently lack the proper direct source to enough information about how The Creator of this game wants it to operate to be able to explain how each individual card works. We don't even have this key information for cards that have been in print for more than a year. In fact we seem to have better information about how just released cards operate than we do about how the older cards do, sometimes to the point of new card rulings having to "fix" the rulings that were incorrect and "on the books" for ages. We don't have base information for some of the nuances of basic gameplay (Priority). And the information we have been given (at regional and higher events) to this point contradicts itself.

So obviously this bible would have to come from the source of the game Kazuki Takahashi. Not being fluent in Japanese, nor well versed in how far ahead the OCG rulings are, I can't even guess if Konami's own rulings are complete enough for such a manual to be printed. But certainly without them having these ducks in a row we'll never be able to.

I think a lot of us have been extremely patient and understanding about the language barrier and cultural issues surrounding getting things from there to here. But I'll say again what I said over a year ago. The system we have doesn't work. The flow of information other than for the newly issued cards is nearly non-existent. If this is a problem with Konami being unable to properly communicate these things to Upperdeck then perhaps responsibility for rulings should be transferred 100% to Konami and they can deal with English as well as Japanese ruling details.

If the state of the "official rulings" themselves are that muddy in Japanese as well then there can be no solution until it comes down from the source. I unfortunately believe this is the reality of our situation. Konami does not have these answers ready, and Mr. Takahashi has more of an interest in his newer creations then ironing out these details of his most popular creation. Even an answer as drastic as simply banning the cards that we can't get clear answers on doesn't patch the hole in basic gameplay that "Priority" represents.
 
anthonyj said:
There is no way that you can learn to play a round of yugioh using the cards typically used in today's meta from www.yugioh-card.com without outside information sources.
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This, unfortunately, is the fantasy that UDE-US continues to propagate to the masses, through their public comments at events and online comments on various boards and the judge's list: that is, the official site is the only resource that anyone needs to understand the game.

Watch Kevin's comments on a regular basis. He says only one of two things: (1) Go to the Official Site. There is no other resource. (2) Email UDE-US at entertainment@...

Both of these are fallacious since the first is just way too obvious as to why it's in error. The second is a problem, but I think enough comments all over various boards make that clear as to why. Having been around for the inside look at both of these resources from UDE-US, I understand why they are lacking. Most of the problem comes directly from UDE-US's own lack of concern and quality measures. But, admittedly, a small portion of it comes from a Konami lack of concern and quality measures. However, my observation has been that 99% of Konami's issues have a solution that UDE-US has just refused to approach on any level.

I will say this again: UDE hired gamers (who had no professional background) to run a business rather than hiring professionals that liked to play games. And that, my friends, is the very core of UDE's problem. And until they change that paradigm, you can continue to point out problems like this, but they will not be resolved with any efficiency. Ever.
 
anthonyj said:
If the state of the "official rulings" themselves are that muddy in Japanese as well then there can be no solution until it comes down from the source. I unfortunately believe this is the reality of our situation. Konami does not have these answers ready, and Mr. Takahashi has more of an interest in his newer creations then ironing out these details of his most popular creation. Even an answer as drastic as simply banning the cards that we can't get clear answers on doesn't patch the hole in basic gameplay that "Priority" represents.
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I think this last statement you made sums it up pretty well. Anyone over the age of 12 realizes that we usally accomplish what we set our minds to and make "priority" in our lives.

Collectable card games we all know with a very few exceptions are flash fads lucky to sell enough to pay for themselves for more than a couple of years. It's a business and they're putting forth the mass majoirty of their man power and efforts toward making a profit. That means creating new cards and putting them out on the market as fast as people will buy them.

I can't say as I blame them for doing this, any business person likely would. As stated though, we've been....or should I say have been forced to be....patient.

This game is obviously not a flash fad game and needs to be treated as such.
 
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