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Fury

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Just to get his straight:
The selected monster is treated as a Monster Card when it is sent to the Graveyard, so the effects of "Sangan" or "Witch of the Black Forest" would activate, but the effect of "Mystic Tomato" would not, since it was not destroyed as a result of battle.

If "Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys" is destroyed while it is not a Monster Card, such as when it is equipped to "Relinquished" or "Sword Hunter", its effect does not activate and it is not Special Summoned

Since the 2 rulings seem to contradict each other, I guess there are 2 different scenarios for each. One probably is when the card is destroyed by Relinquished's own effect and the other is something like using Heavy Storm.

So which is which?
 
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Fury said:
Just to get his straight:
The selected monster is treated as a Monster Card when it is sent to the Graveyard, so the effects of "Sangan" or "Witch of the Black Forest" would activate, but the effect of "Mystic Tomato" would not, since it was not destroyed as a result of battle.

If "Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys" is destroyed while it is not a Monster Card, such as when it is equipped to "Relinquished" or "Sword Hunter", its effect does not activate and it is not Special Summoned

Since the 2 rulings seem to contradict each other, I guess there are 2 different scenarios for each. One probably is when the card is destroyed by Relinquished's own effect and the other is something like using Heavy Storm.

So which is which?
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Their not two different scenarios, their two different card effects. One simply activates when it goes from the field to the Graveyard. The other only activates when when destroyed as a Monster Card. Not necessarily contradictions, just different mechanics for the two.
 
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I see, so the text of SPoN is off.

It says:
If this card is destroyed by a card effect, ...
instead of:
If this monster is destroyed by a card effect, ...

Thanks.
 
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While it appears they countradict one another they do not.

Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys has an effect that triggers when it's destroyed on the field. While equip. to Relinquished a monster has no effect so Phoenix can't trigger, it's effect text is nonexistant. Sangan and Witch Of The Black Forest on the other hand have effects that activate in the graveyard.
 
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If Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys is indeed a field only effect, this ruling contradicts that:
If "Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys" is destroyed while in your hand or Deck by a card effect, you still activate its effect during your next Standby Phase to Special Summon it from the Graveyard. (For example, if an effect like "Star Boy" is active, and "Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys" is Summoned, and "Chain Destruction" is activated to destroy other copies of "Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys" in the hand and Deck, those copies will be Special Summoned during your next Standby Phase.
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No it's not a field only effect, the same as Vampire Lord. I remember a scenario at a regional tournament where a player used Solemn Judgement on the summon of Vampire Lord....he was very dstraught to learn that Vampire Lord would be revisiting him the next turn. Obvously Vampire Lord never resolved to the field but the bird and Vampire Lord just need to be destroyed by card effect and sent to the graveyard, not while on the field.

Obviously monster cards have effect text in the hand or Cyber Dragon would not be able to be special summoned nor would Dark Necrofear among others.
 
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It is a Graveyard activated effect. But that's not the issue with Relinquished. The issue is that Phoenix triggers off of destruction by an effect. Sangan and Witch trigger off of being sent from the field to the Graveyard. Two different things. Although similar in action, they are mechanically different. The manner in which their effects trigger is not the same, neither in circumstance nor in function.
 
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If Phoenix is destroyed and RFG-d by BTH and then I use Miracle Dig to return it to my graveyard will it revive next Standby Phase?
It will be in the grave and it was destroyed.
 
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Errhrr, this is a little "Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys"-only rule I'm about to tell you, so don't apply it to any other situation!...

Phoenix has to be a Monster Card while on the Field in order for it to get its effect when destroyed by an effect.
 
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Oceanus said:
Phoenix has to be a Monster Card while on the Field in order for it to get its effect when destroyed by an effect.
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No, it doesn't have to be on the field as evidenced by the following ruling from SFoN...


If "Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys" is destroyed while in your hand or Deck by a card effect, you still activate its effect during your next Standby Phase to Special Summon it from the Graveyard......

The same applies to Vampire Lord.
 
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Please note I said it has to be a Monster Card WHILE on the field, not it has to be a Monster Card AND on the field. There's where you misunderstand me. I'm simply stating if it is on the field, and it's destroyed by a monster effect while not a monster card, use the rule I sumbitted.
 
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It already has, the mechanics, the why, I don't want to get into because it always ends with the words, "Because Konami said so"(Popularly known as BKSS). That is, the unfortunate answer to the why.
 
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Actually John already answered the why.

Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys is considered a monster on the field (normally), in your hand, and in your deck. That is what allows for its effect to activate when it's destroyed in any of those places.

However, when it's equipped to Relinquished, it's considered to be an Equip Card and as such it has NO effect. That's why if it's destroyed in this fashion, the trigger never activates. It doesn't come back.
 
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Oh, is that so, densetsu_x? Then I unfortunately have to ask you, when "Sangan" is equipped to "Relinquished", and considered an equip card, why does it have an effect? Why, if it's destroyed in this fashion, does the trigger activate? Why do we get to search for a monster?
 
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Because the Critter condition says it must be sent from the field to the Graveyard so the effect won't activate until it is IN THE GRAVEYARD (when it is a monster again).

Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys doesn't say when it is destroyed and sent to the Graveyard. It just says when it is destroyed by Card Effect. As such it much be a monster at the time it is destroyed by card effect for that effect to activate. And before you come back with "Why doesn't it activate if it's removed from play then?" it's because when a card is RFP, it's removed from the game unless there's an effect that specifically allows it to come back from the RFP zone like DD Scout Plane or DD Survivor.
 
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