Royal Keeper's effect +300 ATK/DEF?

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SoilentG

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I was reading the Battle Phase article in the Netrepâ„¢ forum here ( http://www.cogonline.net/threads.6503 ) and saw that Royal Keeper's effect doesn't get applied until AFTER the damage step calculation when he's flipped face up when attacked.

Again, I'm so easily confused... Say I have Gemini Elf and I attack a face-down Royal Keeper, by the above article I would assume that Royal Keeper is destroyed, Gemini's 1900 ATK vs. Royal's 1700 DEF. Damage = 0.

So, basically, the effect of Royal Keeper is really only useful when he is Flip Summoned and attacks... or if he's face-down and is attacked by a monster with <= 1700 DEF and then attacked again by another monster... which, he would now have 2000 DEF. Correct?
 
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SoilentG said:
I was reading the Battle Phase article in the Netrepâ„¢ forum here ( http://www.cogonline.net/threads.6503 ) and saw that Royal Keeper's effect doesn't get applied until AFTER the damage step calculation when he's flipped face up when attacked.

Again, I'm so easily confused... Say I have Gemini Elf and I attack a face-down Royal Keeper, by the above article I would assume that Royal Keeper is destroyed, Gemini's 1900 ATK vs. Royal's 1700 DEF. Damage = 0.

So, basically, the effect of Royal Keeper is really only useful when he is Flip Summoned and attacks... or if he's face-down and is attacked by a monster with <= 1700 DEF and then attacked again by another monster... which, he would now have 2000 DEF. Correct?
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Royal Keeper is a Flip Effect, and Flip Effects resolve their effects later in the Damage Step, which means that if he is attacked by a monster that has 1750 ATK while he is face-down, he will be destroyed by Damage Calculation. If somehow he survives, such as Waboku is activated, he will increase his ATK/DEF by 300 in the Resolve Effects portion of the Damage Step, and any further attacks will be with his new Defense.
 
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Maruno said:
No, it's an effect that activates when the card is flipped face-up. Nowhere does "FLIP:" appear on the card.
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Nowhere did I say FLIP: type effect.... Especially since anytime I talk about FLIP: type effects, I always capitalize FLIP, so there is no confusion.
 
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Maruno said:
You said it was a Flip Effect, which is the phrase used to describe an effect with "FLIP:" in front of it.
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Flipped Face-up, Flip Summoned, is a Flip Effect. I guess I should have spelled it out for the challenged.

How else does it get its effect?
 
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Heh, the first ruling in RONIN is:

"¢ The effect of "Royal Keeper" is not a Flip Effect.

So, it's not a Flip Effect but when it's flipped face-up, increase the ATK and DEF"... funny, isn't it?
 
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masterwoo0 said:
Flipped Face-up, Flip Summoned, is a Flip Effect. I guess I should have spelled it out for the challenged.
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"Flip Effect" is a very special term in YGO and does not include the trigger effect of Royal Keeper.

The effect of Royal Keeper will activate if it's flipped face-up via CeaseFire (that could even save RK from the attacking Gemini Elf ^^).
And it can't be negated by Royal Command.
 
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SoilentG said:
Heh, the first ruling in RONIN is:

"¢ The effect of "Royal Keeper" is not a Flip Effect.

So, it's not a Flip Effect but when it's flipped face-up, increase the ATK and DEF"... funny, isn't it?
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Again, if I was talking about FLIP: type effects, I would have been specific.

I read the ruling just like you did. I do have a computer, or I wouldnt have been able to type the replies I have been typing. Had I felt the need to type "Flipped Face up, or Flip Summoned", which I didnt think necessary, as they both involve being "Flipped", which is its effect when it is Flipped, I would have done so. He wont get his effect if he is placed face-up on the field, will he??
 
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