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hi,

recently i was on a tourney. it was nice but i had some problems with the judge. it seemed to be that he has some "special rules" invented himself. so, it would be good if you could tell me weather the following statements are right:

1. "apprentice magician" was errated. he doesn't have to be destroyed in battle to get its effect. --- i don't think so and i hadn't find this errata, too.:rolleyes: What's right?

2. slate warrior attacked my airknight. i activated book of moon to stop that attack. then my opponent flipped slate warrior face-up again. i protested, because you can't change the battle postition after a battle. but the judge said that he could do this because of book of moon htere was no battle. ---- i don't think so becaue book of moon doesn't negate the attack, but waht's right?

now the last question. it was no situation on this tourney but this questions is already since a few days in my mind.

scene: the opponent has a d.d warrior lady since 2 turns face-up on the field. i've got a face-down book of moon. now the opponent activated heavy storm and i chained BoM to his DDWL. could he change the battle position yet? i don't know it and this rule isnt't in ronin but in the latest Netrepâ„¢ ther you couldn't change the position.

pls answer my questions and don't worry about my english. i'm not American ^^




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3. i had magical scientist on the field and wanted to use its effect in main phase 2. the judge said i can't do this. i think not so because DJs effect is a cost and so speel speed 1 -> i can activate the effect in MP2. what's right?
 
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unknown said:
hi,

recently i was on a tourney. it was nice but i had some problems with the judge. it seemed to be that he has some "special rules" invented himself. so, it would be good if you could tell me weather the following statements are right:

1. "apprentice magician" was errated. he doesn't have to be destroyed in battle to get its effect. --- i don't think so and i hadn't find this errata, too.:rolleyes: What's right?
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It msut be destroyed in battle. However it does not need to be sent to the graveyard. And unlike Mystic Tomato etc. its the Controller that gets its effect, not the owner.

2. slate warrior attacked my airknight. i activated book of moon to stop that attack. then my opponent flipped slate warrior face-up again. i protested, because you can't change the battle postition after a battle. but the judge said that he could do this because of book of moon htere was no battle. ---- i don't think so becaue book of moon doesn't negate the attack, but waht's right?
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Its battle postion can't be changed manually anymore (period) its position was changed by book of moon, therefor it can not be changed manually the same turn.

With Total Defense Shogun, he would not be able to flip it face-up anyway because it had Declared an attack, you may not change the battle position of a monster manually after it declares an attack, even if the attack is negated by Magic Cylinder, or stopped indirectly.

scene: the opponent has a d.d warrior lady since 2 turns face-up on the field. i've got a face-down book of moon. now the opponent activated heavy storm and i chained BoM to his DDWL. could he change the battle position yet? i don't know it and this rule isnt't in ronin but in the latest Netrepâ„¢ ther you couldn't change the position.
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What position was D.D warrior lady in? If Book of moon changes a monsters position it can not be changed manually. If however it went from face-up defense to face-down defense that would not be a position change.
 
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DaGuyWitBluGlasses said:
What position was D.D warrior lady in? If Book of moon changes a monsters position it can not be changed manually. If however it went from face-up defense to face-down defense that would not be a position change.
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let's say one time in attack -and one time in defense position :D attack position you have already explained, but what happens if DDWL is in defense position? could he changes DDWLs modus even if BoM doesn't change DDWLs modus but turned it face-down?

ps. thx for the answers :)
 
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unknown said:
ok, but what are your arguments? ^_^
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DaGuyWitBluGlasses said:
What position was D.D warrior lady in? If Book of moon changes a monsters position it can not be changed manually. If however it went from face-up defense to face-down defense that would not be a position change.
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As mentioned, a monster can only be changed position once in your turn except through effect of another spell/trap/effect. so, if a monster has been book of moon facedown from attack position, for that turn it cannot be changed back faceup attack position. however if it was in face up defense position, book of moon's effect would not be a change of battle position, thus a manual change can be done.
 
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unknown said:
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3. i had magical scientist on the field and wanted to use its effect in main phase 2. the judge said i can't do this. i think not so because DJs effect is a cost and so speel speed 1 -> i can activate the effect in MP2. what's right?
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yes you can use it on the main phase 2.
 
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thx a lot of all your answers :)

but now annother question. could i do something against the judge? in addition to that the judge played on the tourny, too, with his "special rules" and won. but the worst is that this tournament was the first step to be qualificated for the german nationals 2005.
 
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unknown said:
thx a lot of all your answers :)

but now annother question. could i do something against the judge? in addition to that the judge played on the tourny, too, with his "special rules" and won. but the worst is that this tournament was the first step to be qualificated for the german nationals 2005.
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Judges may not play and judge in the same tournament. Even after being eliminated they may not judge at the tournament. One is either a player or a judge. Not both. I'm not sure exactly what the business structure is in Germany, so i can't say where you are supposed to report it, but it is against the rules what this judge was doing.
 
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I think the more important thing here is to really question whether this individual is REALLY an Official UDE Judge. It's pretty much common knowledge that Judges cannot play and be Judges in the same Tournament, while Tournament Organizers may play in a Tournament they are Organizers of.

Even if its not commonly known, "common sense" should tell you that its unfair to rule in a Tournament you are Judging in just based on the ethicality alone.
 
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@DaGuyWitBluGlasses in germany it's like in america: judges can't play AND judge. besides the judge broke all common rules .... so i connected ude because of this actions. now i have to wait what ude will do against this judge.

@masterwoo0 the judge said about himself that he's an official ude lvl2 judge and did the lvl 3 test with 100%. but that has to be a lie because the lvl 3 test development hasn't finished in the USA yet.

naja it was a bad day and now i've got only one more chance to qualificate me. hopefully i will qualificate me for the nationals.
 
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masterwoo0 said:
I think the more important thing here is to really question whether this individual is REALLY an Official UDE Judge. It's pretty much common knowledge that Judges cannot play and be Judges in the same Tournament, while Tournament Organizers may play in a Tournament they are Organizers of.
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Certainly not the last time I checked the policies! None of the tournament staff are allowed to participate in the actual tournament.
 
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That's what I thought. Since when are tournament organizers allowed to participate in their own tournaments? If this is true, though I doubt it is, I'm definatly going to start participating in my own tournaments.
 
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As I posted in another thread, a T.O. doesn't need a tested judge to hold a sanctioned tournament. All they need to do is have passed the T.O. test....which can be done by reading the online policy.

You might ask your local judge to show his card if you have serious doubts. Be aware though that the only cards to date went out last summer. Your local judge may have passed their test since that time.
 
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Just checked the policies myself and tournament staff are NOT allowed participate in the tournament, whether they're Judges, TOs, scorekeepers or whatever.

John Danker said:
You might ask your local judge to show his card if you have serious doubts. Be aware though that the only cards to date went out last summer. Your local judge may have passed their test since that time.
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Yep, have the Xmas card with promo but no actual judge's card.
 
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if there IS a descrepency with a judge regarding his judgements during a tournament though, make sure you take it up with them in a private setting away from other duelists. Most people really enjoy the game just for the sake of playing and socializing at the tournaments. Of course there are some of us who play to win too. But, like in business matters, a judge's authenticity, or rulings should only be called into question and discussed in a manner that will not tarnish them in front of other duelists as these kids look up to those judges for guidance in one way or another. I makes me both happy and sad to see that I am not the only one that has these issues with judges making rulings based on WHO is in the duel or who they want to win.... BUT, we also must remember that this is about having fun, and being competitive in a friendly nature. So make sure you are the wiser individual at the tournaments, have fun and always Play to WIN.... lol....

ps... if you KNOW you are right and they are wrong, just get online and print out the ruling supporting your story.... then show it to them in a way that will make them know that you just wanted them to understand the "correct" ruling too since they are looked up to as judges... sorta stroke their ego and put them right at the same time ya know.... laterz all
 
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Well, I just took a look at the T.O. policies, and sure enough, it does include TO's not being able to be players in their own events.

I'm reasonably sure that that has been a more recent change when the policy was updated as the old one always specifically forbid Judges from doing so, and I seem to remember reading that section allowing TO's when I was preparing to take my test for LV1. I prefer to play, versus organize anyway, as there are more than enough Tournaments in my area to keep me somewhat happy (wouldnt mind a premier a little closer though), so that situation would be mute for me.
 
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