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well.. the first part of the cards effect goes:

Select and activate 1 of the following effects:
- Negate the activation and the effect of a Spell Card that designates 1 monster on the field as a target and destroy the Spell Card.

now im asking someone to help me, and name a few spellcards, that designate 1 monster on the field.. are hammer shot smashing ground and fissure cards like that? and what is it with change of heart, snatch steal, enemy controller?.. thanks
 
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I think what you're looking for is spells which are counted as targeting spells.
Smashing Ground, Fissure and Hammer Shot are not targeting spells as they chose their target arcording to their text once they've resolved. The best guideline I've heard for what's targeting and what's not is that: if it choses which monster(s) (plural for the likes of Peguin Soldier, Hade Hane, etc...) will be affected at activation it's a targeting effect, if it choses them once it's resolved then it's not.
This is why Creature Swap is not considered to be a targeting spell.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on this.
 
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kintaro said:
well.. the first part of the cards effect goes:

Select and activate 1 of the following effects:
- Negate the activation and the effect of a Spell Card that designates 1 monster on the field as a target and destroy the Spell Card.

now im asking someone to help me, and name a few spellcards, that designate 1 monster on the field.. are hammer shot smashing ground and fissure cards like that? and what is it with change of heart, snatch steal, enemy controller?.. thanks
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A Wingbeat of Giant Dragon
Block Attack
Book of Moon
Book of Taiyou
Change of Heart
Checkmate
Dedication through Light and Darkness
Enemy Controller
Inferno Fire Blast
Level Up!
Metamorphosis
Monster Gate
Mystic Wok
Nobleman of Crossout
Order to Charge
Rush Recklessly
Shield & Sword
Stop Defense
Weapon Change

Any and All Equip Spell Cards (with exception of Autonomous Action Unit and Premature Burial)

I've probably missed some as well... but you get the idea...
 
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Spell Shield Type-8 will still work against non-targeting effects also.  You just have to pay the cost of activation by discarding a spell card from hand to the Graveyard.
 
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To add on,

With Spell Shield Type-8, you pretty much get a free bonus when they try to target one of your creatures or one of their own even. However, the other effect of negating a spell has the cost of discarding a spell from your hand so you may or may not want to use up that handy dandy spell in your hand. =) Sometimes, its better to use something like Magic Jammer but then again, the free targetting negation is cool. =)
 
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Osiris said:
kintaro said:
well.. the first part of the cards effect goes:

Select and activate 1 of the following effects:
- Negate the activation and the effect of a Spell Card that designates 1 monster on the field as a target and destroy the Spell Card.

now im asking someone to help me, and name a few spellcards, that designate 1 monster on the field.. are hammer shot smashing ground and fissure cards like that? and what is it with change of heart, snatch steal, enemy controller?.. thanks
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A Wingbeat of Giant Dragon
Block Attack
Book of Moon
Book of Taiyou
Change of Heart
Checkmate
Dedication through Light and Darkness
Enemy Controller
Inferno Fire Blast
Level Up!
Metamorphosis
Monster Gate
Mystic Wok
Nobleman of Crossout
Order to Charge
Rush Recklessly
Shield & Sword
Stop Defense
Weapon Change

Any and All Equip Spell Cards (with exception of Autonomous Action Unit and Premature Burial)

I've probably missed some as well... but you get the idea...
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Shield and Sword? Since when is it targetting?
 
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Magus said:
Osiris said:
kintaro said:
well.. the first part of the cards effect goes:

Select and activate 1 of the following effects:
- Negate the activation and the effect of a Spell Card that designates 1 monster on the field as a target and destroy the Spell Card.

now im asking someone to help me, and name a few spellcards, that designate 1 monster on the field.. are hammer shot smashing ground and fissure cards like that? and what is it with change of heart, snatch steal, enemy controller?.. thanks
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A Wingbeat of Giant Dragon
Block Attack
Book of Moon
Book of Taiyou
Change of Heart
Checkmate
Dedication through Light and Darkness
Enemy Controller
Inferno Fire Blast
Level Up!
Metamorphosis
Monster Gate
Mystic Wok
Nobleman of Crossout
Order to Charge
Rush Recklessly
Shield & Sword
Stop Defense
Weapon Change

Any and All Equip Spell Cards (with exception of Autonomous Action Unit and Premature Burial)

I've probably missed some as well... but you get the idea...
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Shield and Sword? Since when is it targetting?
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Actually, a few of those are not targeting. Level Up! and Monster Gate, for example.
 
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mortals said:
To add on,

With Spell Shield Type-8, you pretty much get a free bonus when they try to target one of your creatures or one of their own even. However, the other effect of negating a spell has the cost of discarding a spell from your hand so you may or may not want to use up that handy dandy spell in your hand. =) Sometimes, its better to use something like Magic Jammer but then again, the free targetting negation is cool. =)
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actually you can discard any type of cards for the second effect.. now a nOOb quoestion again :p can I activate spell cards in Main Phase 2 after I attacked in MP1?... I do not think so, but there are sometimes friends, whom I just cant explanin some rules :lol:
 
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actually you can discard any type of cards for the second effect..
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Sorry but you can only discard spell cards for the second effect.

can I activate spell cards in Main Phase 2 after I attacked in MP1?... I do not think so, but there are sometimes friends, whom I just cant explanin some rules
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You can activate spell cards regardless whether you attack or not (providing there is no other card which prevents you from activating spell cards). In addition, you don't attack in MP1. You attack in Battle Phase :D
 
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Raigekick said:
actually you can discard any type of cards for the second effect..
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Sorry but you can only discard spell cards for the second effect.
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Just to clarify for kintaro ... "Spell Shield Type-8" has errata that denotes that you must discard a Spell Card.  Here is the correct card data:

Spell Shield Type-8
Counter Trap

Select and activate 1 of the following effects:
"¢ Negate the activation and the effect of a Spell Card that designates 1 monster on the field as a target and destroy the Spell Card.
"¢ Discard 1 Spell Card from your hand to the Graveyard to negate the activation and the effect of a Spell Card and destroy it.

edit: Example of activating a Spell Card in Main Phase 2

- You have a face-up ATK "Dark Magician".  Your opponent has a face-up ATK "Chaos Sorcerer"
- During Battle Phase, you attack "Chaos Sorcerer".  Your opponent activates "Waboku", so "Chaos Sorcerer" is not destroyed
- Not wanting to have your "Dark Magician" removed from play next turn, you activate "Thousand Knives" in Main Phase 2 to destroy "Chaos Sorcerer".

Activating Spell Cards in Main Phase 2 is a very common occurance.  I do it all the time.
 
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kintaro said:
uh-oh.. tnx.. did not know that.. cuold you write me an example of activating a spell card that way.. :p im serious.. hehe
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Example of using a spell card on Main Phase 2 after attacking:

Player 2 has 3600 LP and has no card on his hand and his side of the field.
Player 1 is the turn player.

Player 1: (Main Phase 1) Activates Monster Reborn and targets Dark Magician of Chaos from his Graveyard.
Neither player chains to this, so DMoC is special summoned in attack position, and Player 1 selects Ookazi from his Graveyard for DMoC's effect.

Player 1: Declares a direct attack (we are now in Battle Phase), and attack Player 2 directly.
(player 2 now has 800 LP)

Player 1: (Main Phase 2) Activates Ookazi for the win.
 
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kintaro said:
mortals said:
To add on,

With Spell Shield Type-8, you pretty much get a free bonus when they try to target one of your creatures or one of their own even. However, the other effect of negating a spell has the cost of discarding a spell from your hand so you may or may not want to use up that handy dandy spell in your hand. =) Sometimes, its better to use something like Magic Jammer but then again, the free targetting negation is cool. =)
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actually you can discard any type of cards for the second effect.. now a nOOb quoestion again  :p can I activate spell cards in Main Phase 2 after I attacked in MP1?... I do not think so, but there are sometimes friends, whom I just cant explanin some rules  :lol:
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What errata are you using to change Spell Shield Type-8???  The latest errata to Type-8 states clearly, "Discard 1 Spell Card from your hand to the Graveyard to negate the activation and the effect of a Spell Card and destroy it."
 
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kintaro said:
did not know about the errata either.. naah.. just got the card THOUGHT: is lot better than magic jammer.. naah..  :| tnx
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Same here, don't check the erratas too often since most of them seem to be starter cards, took SS-T8 out of my deck again last night after seeing the errata. Damn them, they made it a pretty useless card, give me a CSoFS over the errata'd SS-T8 anyday!
 
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Now now children, play nice.

Actually, I think SS-T8 is a good card. It has two effects you can choose from and in my opinion, dual-effect cards like that are masterful (in that they can really turn a game around).

But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
 
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Spell Shield Type-8 is a good card depending on the theme of your Deck. If you are Trap heavy, then maybe it may not fit very well as you may not have the necessary spell card to defend with when you need it. And I hope that no one took offense to my last post. I just wanted to make sure that nothing else had come out on SS T-8 as I run quite a few of them.
 
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Spell Shield "was" a good card before it got nailed to the errata wall. If I'm going to have to give up hand advantage (no spell cards that can be used for a no-cost discard) I'll use Cursed Seal and get a much better effect out of it. Spell Shield as was, could be multi-situational and worth it. As is it costs too much for what it can do.
 
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