Spirit Reaper - attacking directly

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What IS the definition of "attacking directly"?
When Spirit Reaper attacks directly and it's damage is negated by waboku the official UDE ruling is that it doesn't force your opponent to discard at random.

read the text:
This monster is not destroyed as a result of battle at any time, although damage calculation is applied normally. When this card is specifically designated as a target of the effect of a Spell, Trap, or Effect Monster Card, this card is immediately destroyed. When this card attacks your opponent's Life Points directly, 1 card is randomly selected from your opponent's hand and discarded to the Graveyard.

-Is the definition of attacking directly um... attacking directly? Would Player A's scapegoat that attacks directly force Player B to discard while player A has Robbin' Goblin on the field?

-Is the definition of attacking directly when a monster inflicts damage to the opponent's life points (by attacking of course) equal to it's attack power?

-Is it something different?
 
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Well, since its Spirit Reaper, there arent many other ways for him to accomplish a Direct Attack other than you or your opponent having no monsters at all on the field when Reaper attacks, and it is a clear shot to you or your opponents life points.

Guardian Kay' Est and The Legendary Fisherman are also other options, but you wouldnt want to leave Reaper exposed to an attack just to attack directly unless you could protect him.
 
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Attacking directly requires that you are not attacking another monster. Spirit Reaper vs. ATK position Scapegoat will not cause you to discard. Waboku prevents damage to the life points so you didn't successfully attack the life points, you just fired off an attack and it was reduced to nothing. As long as you are attacking your opponent and not one of his monsters on the field and as long as you inflict at least 1 point of damage the effect will trigger.
 
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wow. ok, let me clarify.

-I was using scapegoat example to show that this sort of confusion can take place in multiple situations (and I was wondering).

-the other situation is player A's spirit reaper attacking player B's LP directly and player B activating Waboku

-spirit reaper's effect states "When this card attacks your opponent's Life Points directly", it doesn't say anything about inflicting damage

-the ruling on spirit reaper states that even if spirit reaper attacks directly and does not inflict any damage (when waboku has been activated) that it's effect does not activivate (I'm about to repeat myself) EVEN THOUGH IT ATTACKED DIRECTLY.


The question I'm asking here is this: What is the definition of attacking directly?
 
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Okay, Spirit Reaper targeted your opponent directly. It didn't attack the life points because it's attack was reduced to nothing by Waboku. It must successfully do damage to be considered to have attacked the life points.
 
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even though it did not do damage it still, by the definition of attacking directly that I understand, ATTACKED DIRECTLY. I know the ruling and I know how spirit reaper is to be played. My question is WHY?
 
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Spirit Reaper MUST do at least 1 life point worth of damage to have effectively attacked directly the defending players life points.  The effect occurs at Damage Calculation.  No damage, no effect.


Spirit Reaper

Spirit Reaper only forces your opponent to discard when "Spirit Reaper" attacks directly (such as when your opponent has no monsters on the field), AND when it inflicts at least 1 point of damage to the opponent's Life Points. So if your opponent uses "Kuriboh", "Waboku", or "Tornado Wall" to prevent the damage, "Spirit Reaper" does not force the opponent to discard.
 
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I understand your beef completely. I myself had to learn this the hard way. Think of it like this. In your situation, Spirit Reaper is ATTEMPTING to attack your opponent's life points directly. Your opponent responds with Waboku, negating all damage done to them during this turn. When Waboku is activated, I imagine a magical wall around your opponent's life points, a wall that no creature can get through. Therefore, even though Spirit Reaper tried to attack your opponent's life points directly, it ran into the magical wall that is Waboku.
 
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Ultralord said:
I understand your beef completely. I myself had to learn this the hard way. Think of it like this. In your situation, Spirit Reaper is ATTEMPTING to attack your opponent's life points directly. Your opponent responds with Waboku, negating all damage done to them during this turn. When Waboku is activated, I imagine a magical wall around your opponent's life points, a wall that no creature can get through. Therefore, even though Spirit Reaper tried to attack your opponent's life points directly, it ran into the magical wall that is Waboku.
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... I was going to say something, but i'll just leave this one alone
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A direct attack damage (thank ye mr. Raigekick for pointing this out) is damage done from a monster to a player's LP by any of the following means:
-damage to the players LP through attacking (due to absence of defending monsters)
-damage done by excess ATK in a "player monster's ATK > opponent monster's ATK" situation
-damage done by excess ATK in a "player monster's DEF > opponent monsters ATK" situation

0 damage is not considered damage so therefore scapegoats without any powerups would not force a random discard through robbin goblin
 
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Koori said:
-damage done by excess ATK in a "player monster's ATK > opponent monster's ATK" situation
-damage done by excess ATK in a "player monster's DEF > opponent monsters ATK" situation
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These are not considered direct attack. These are considered damage overflowing to the controller of the monster.

Attacking directly means you are able to target the opponents life points directly, and not attacking any of his monster.

EDIT: Now, a successful direct attack to your opponent's life points is to attack him directly and inflict at least 1 point damage.
 
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Raigekick said:
Koori said:
-damage done by excess ATK in a "player monster's ATK > opponent monster's ATK" situation
-damage done by excess ATK in a "player monster's DEF > opponent monsters ATK" situation
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These are not considered direct attack. These are considered damage overflowing to the controller of the monster.

Attacking directly means you are able to target the opponents life points directly, and not attacking any of his monster.

EDIT: Now, a successful direct attack to your opponent's life points is to attack him directly and inflict at least 1 point damage.
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oops typo, i meant direct damage *changing it soon*
(probably was too in a hurrt to talk about "direct attacks" as one of the direct damage category)
though im still not fully sure if overflow is considered direct damage
 
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Koori said:
though im still not fully sure if overflow is considered direct damage
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I'm confused on what "direct damage" means.

I know overflow damage to a player is considered damage to his/her lifepoints, though it is not as a result of a direct attack damage.
 
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well i guess for now we can call any life point damage done to a player "direct damage" since its directed to one player
so basically the kinds of direct damage are:
-overflow
-direct attack
-effect damage

on the other hand, activation cost damage and maintenance cost damage are in a different category
 
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Koori said:
well i guess for now we can call any life point damage done to a player "direct damage" since its directed to one player
so basically the kinds of direct damage are:
-overflow
-direct attack
-effect damage

on the other hand, activation cost damage and maintenance cost damage are in a different category
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No (overflow damaga) this is battle damaga like with "Airknight's" effect
direct attack is like the "Inaba White Rabbit" (but steal battle damaga do to the fact that it is a monster
doing it)
effect damaga is by spell and/or traps, monster effect too.
but it all cames down too that 1 point of damaga.
 
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